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Weltall · 03-04-2004, 04:37 PM

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I am told that my IQ is higher than that of Einstein.

Finally a testable claim! Can you prove to us that you have a genius-level IQ score? I'm guessing that the answer is 'no' and that you'll find some way to brush aside my request with an irrelevant comparison but it's such a rare occasion that I had to ask.

Corona688 · 03-04-2004, 09:47 PM

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A large number of people can create a large amount of violence. A lesser number of people will therefore create a lesser amount of violence.

You have AGAIN ignored my point. You keep talking about the end result. You keep saying that 'if this is the case, then things will not be violent'. If. If. IF. These things are obviously NOT the case. When I ask how you intend to accomplish this without violence, you tell me that there will be no violence once the military takes control of the planet. When I ask how you will take military control of the planet without violence, you tell me that there will be no violence once this is done. I am not asking what you think the end result will be! I am asking ***HOW*** you intend to accomplish this wihtout violence. Your repeated ignoral of this question is quite fruistrating, and quite inexplicable.

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Precisely, MILITARY Peacekeepers and strategists

All right. Since these military peacekeepers and strategists are obviously not going to be employing violence, how do you suggest they take over the planet without weapons?

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God has Created one World.

Whenever you have made this claim before without providing any evidence, I have rejected it precisely because you have presented no evidence. Why do you keep saying this? Expecting a different result from repeatedly doing the exact same thing is a definition of insanity.

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We would add terrorism to the list of "ideals" which cause "warring" which is basically murder by ideology. Esopecially where people imagine that they somehow have a different God.

Or imagine that they somehow have any god at all. You STILL haven't told me what you would do to me and other people who refused to submit to your beliefs, were you to somehow succeed in taking over the world.

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I am told that my IQ is higher than that of Einstein. But then I do not deal in "religious" superstition, as I have no need to do so.

Then use this astonishing mental power to logically connect these two sentences somehow.

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This idea of yours does not tie in with known Egyptian religion or science.

Prove it.

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I have done so. Is that not good enough for you?

Are you claiming to be god?

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But are YOU Immortal?

No, I am not, and for that I am quite grateful. Immortality is not something I would wish on anyone.

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But if you became Immortal, would you believe in Him then?

Yes, that would probably work.

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We are the SAME.

Please answer this question with a yes or no. Are you god?

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Why hell?

"Heck" then, if you prefer, or "a lot", or a "great deal", or "very much". For someone with an IQ greater than Einstein's, you're not very perceptive.

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But you CAN figure it out for yourself if YOU try hard enough.

Given the information I currently have available to me, no, I cannot. This is why I am asking for more.

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Try forgetting about the invisible pink unicorns, leprechauns, magic, and gravity elves, these things are not in The Bible, and simply believe in God instead. It will make it much easier for you.

OK. I'll give it a try.

*takes deep breath*

OK, here we go... open mind, open mind... clear out all thoughts...

"God, please enter my heart, so that I may understand what You wish..."

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

"God, please enter my heart, so that I may understand what You wish..."

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

"God, please enter my heart, so that I may understand what You wish..."

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

"This person that claims to speak for you, does he?"

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

"This person that claims to speak for you, are you him?"

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

"...Shouldn't I be feeling something about now?"

*silence*
*silence*
*silence*
*silence*

Nothing. It's like there's just nothing there...

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And if it is God Who says these things must be done, does this make Him a fascist, or is He still God?

If god is the one who says these things must be done, then god is both god and fascist. The society you say he would engineer is a society of slaves; perhaps well-treated slaves, but slaves.

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Everlasting life.

OK, that's a testable claim. Can you direct me to an ordinary human being who has lived forever?

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If you don't believe in Him then He is hardly likely to believe in you, is He?

I tried believing in god; it didn't work. I tried loving him; it didn't work. I tried praying to him; it didn't work. I tried reading the bible; it contained hate and lies, not god. It's like there's just nothing there. I wish it were otherwise, but it seems that it's just not so!

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A Christian believer in God irks you?

No. A christian believer in god who tells me that he knows that god exists but presents me with nothing but irrational delusions as evidence irks me.

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Your "pagan" friends are quite wrong. Egyptians are not pagans

Guess what? I never said that they were!

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and they do not believe in things such as "devils", or the "Evil Eye" either.

Neither do pagans, by the way.

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They KNOW that God is All-Seeing. Egypt is originally where correct belief comes from.

Assertion contrary to fact. Provide evidence please.

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No, God came first. He did not have to invent anything.

Provide evidence please.

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All He has to do is to explain belief in God to you.

If it's really that easy, then he should.

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As Christians don't hate you then why should you hate them?

I don't hate them. I just don't AGREE with them. Aren't you able to disagree with someone without hating them?

Light · 03-05-2004, 04:01 AM

Well, I am not going to go through it all, line by line.

It would just be a lot more agreeable if everyone agreed with everyone else, instead of always arguing about a known fact.

It IS known to be more peaceful that way.

When everyone agrees there is a certain oneness anyway.

If everyone were to behave as Angels should it is certain to become more Heavenly.

Living in Peace without violence or fear is a better thing to do.

Just think Pure Energy Force.

May that Force be with you always.

andy_d · 03-05-2004, 04:49 AM

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Now, please, try avoiding replying to this with a question that has no relevance to what i've asked you, because you do that a lot.

I wonder just how old an Eternal God is?

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I am told that my IQ is higher than that of Einstein.

Perhaps so, but your reading comprehension needs serious work.

Corona688 · 03-05-2004, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by Light
Well, I am not going to go through it all, line by line.

Translation: I am going to ignore your entire post and every question in it.

Gee, thanks.

I want an answer to the most important question in my post: Are you claiming that you are god? Yes or no?

Light · 03-05-2004, 07:09 AM

Is anyone claiming that they are God is more to the point.

If God is my brother then I must be God too.

It is rather daft that God should turn against God, don't you think so?

I mean if We believe in each other then what else do We need to do?

I'll just settle for being immortal.

Who needs to be God if everyone is Immortal anyway?

Corona688 · 03-05-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Light
If God is my brother then I must be God too.

This is probably about as clear an answer I am ever going to get from you, so I have no choice but to take it at face value.

In claiming that you not only know the mind of god, but in fact ARE god, you have just abandoned whatever slim credibility you had left. Not that you had much left, after you told me that egyptian pharaohs were 20 feet tall, and god created the pyramids 250 million years ago then crumbled them with a terrifying hail of mud and dinosaurs.

It is pointless to argue with anyone who is convinced they know god's mind... evidence appears to be a foreign concept to this mindset. I will waste no more time arguing with you. Farewell.

Light · 03-05-2004, 12:09 PM

I didn't say that I was God. You don't have to be God to be immortal.

Angels are immortal too.

Yes, indeed a terrifying hail of mud and dinosaurs.

Some people in North America were trapped in their cave dwellings and had to dig themselves out.

The Immortal Ones took to the Heavens and only came back when they could help, and there were LOTS of "Dragons" to be slain. What FUN it all was!

Immortal Ones ... IO

But then you don't believe in all of this "nonsense" do you?

Just as well that I do.

You should read Gulliver's Travels, it might give you a clue.

Light · 03-05-2004, 12:59 PM

In fact God got so angry with everyone just thinking about sex all of the time that He carved the Jordan Valley out of the Earth and called it Sodom and Gomorah.

You will find that in The Bible too.

Less talk of "sex", more of love, no more babies, and more Culture is what is required here.

So much for scientific enlightenment then, and peace.

Probably should have stopped around 1700 and taken a good look at what was happening.

Seems we are all stuck in this Biblical Script.

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03-05-2004, 04:01 AM	#163
Light Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Here, There & Everywhere Posts: 1,253	Well, I am not going to go through it all, line by line. It would just be a lot more agreeable if everyone agreed with everyone else, instead of always arguing about a known fact. It IS known to be more peaceful that way. When everyone agrees there is a certain oneness anyway. If everyone were to behave as Angels should it is certain to become more Heavenly. Living in Peace without violence or fear is a better thing to do. Just think Pure Energy Force. May that Force be with you always.

03-05-2004, 07:09 AM	#166
Light Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Here, There & Everywhere Posts: 1,253	Is anyone claiming that they are God is more to the point. If God is my brother then I must be God too. It is rather daft that God should turn against God, don't you think so? I mean if We believe in each other then what else do We need to do? I'll just settle for being immortal. Who needs to be God if everyone is Immortal anyway?

03-05-2004, 12:09 PM	#168
Light Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Here, There & Everywhere Posts: 1,253	I didn't say that I was God. You don't have to be God to be immortal. Angels are immortal too. Yes, indeed a terrifying hail of mud and dinosaurs. Some people in North America were trapped in their cave dwellings and had to dig themselves out. The Immortal Ones took to the Heavens and only came back when they could help, and there were LOTS of "Dragons" to be slain. What FUN it all was! Immortal Ones ... IO But then you don't believe in all of this "nonsense" do you? Just as well that I do. You should read Gulliver's Travels, it might give you a clue.

03-05-2004, 12:59 PM	#169
Light Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Here, There & Everywhere Posts: 1,253	In fact God got so angry with everyone just thinking about sex all of the time that He carved the Jordan Valley out of the Earth and called it Sodom and Gomorah. You will find that in The Bible too. Less talk of "sex", more of love, no more babies, and more Culture is what is required here. So much for scientific enlightenment then, and peace. Probably should have stopped around 1700 and taken a good look at what was happening. Seems we are all stuck in this Biblical Script.

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