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rdalin · 04-02-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

This intellectual discussion about the merits of Candida Moss's book is all fine and dandy. But now let's move on to the most important issue at hand. She's actually quite pretty. Unexpected for a scholar:

Sometimes when people turn their head in such a strange way it might mean that they are not as impressive head on. As a scholar I imagine she thinks quite a bit, very cerebral. So it should be surprising that she has uncovered the right way to look at the camera (even if it is at an odd angle). Nevertheless I suspect she's still above average in appearance anyway even if you saw her head on.

Excellent critique, but you could have improved it by posting a picture of yourself for comparison.

stephan huller · 04-02-2013, 09:25 AM

its right there beside my nane

outhouse · 04-02-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

This intellectual discussion about the merits of Candida Moss's book is all fine and dandy. But now let's move on to the most important issue at hand. She's actually quite pretty. Unexpected for a scholar:

Sometimes when people turn their head in such a strange way it might mean that they are not as impressive head on. As a scholar I imagine she thinks quite a bit, very cerebral. So it should be surprising that she has uncovered the right way to look at the camera (even if it is at an odd angle). Nevertheless I suspect she's still above average in appearance anyway even if you saw her head on.

Have you seen any of her work on Nat Geo?

I have not found any faults that I can really dig into yet. I'm still getting into her work though, but impressed so far.

stephan huller · 04-02-2013, 09:38 AM

No I haven't seen any of her work. I remember watching Bill Maher and I saw this really pretty Palestinian woman - like 40 or something - who worked as a news broadcaster in Italy. She spoke German, Italian, Hebrew, Arabic and something else. My God she was the most beautiful woman. Here, I found her picture. It doesn't do her justice though

My wife is extraordinarily pretty and in the similar age bracket. I remember meeting her mother a thousand years ago and being blown away. She looked just like Sophia Loren (she was insulted when I compared her to Gina Lollobrigida 'I think I look more like Sophia'). It's amazing how much genetics play a role in these things. The difficulty with these public figures is that you never know how much work they got to make them look 'all that.' Look at old movies of Angelina Jolie or how all that 'work' and excessive dieting affects how she looks now (monstrum in fronte).

outhouse · 04-02-2013, 10:32 AM

Candida is beautiful, no doubt.

The Palestinian woman, has a natural beauty. Nice.

mountainman · 04-03-2013, 05:01 AM

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One of the more thought provoking observations on the attitude of these statistically presumed early Christians is made by Momigliano in On Pagans, Jews and Christians (or via: amazon.co.uk), who emphasizes ....

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"the very remarkable attitude of those Christians who, though persecuted by the Roman Empire, defended the notion that the Roman Empire had been providentially created to foster and support the Christian message."

Isn't this a paradox?

What sort of an attitude is this?

Momigliano's book is available for preview on google books, and if you hadn't ripped that sentence out of context, it would not sound so paradoxical.

From p. 135:

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. . . Paul's letter to the Romans (13:1-7) reiterates and develops Jesus' acceptance of the imperial authority (Mark 12:17), and he is supported by 1 Peter 2:13-17. Augustus had been a contemporary of Jesus; the "pax romana" was readily recognized as the main condition for the spreading of Christianity. By destroying the Jewish Temple of Jerusalem, the Romans had not only punished the Jews for their lack of faith, but had demonstrated the correctness of the claim of the Christian Church to be the legitimate successor to the Hebrew Temple. The theme of the contemporary rise of the Augustan Empire and of the [p.136] Christian Church is clear in in Melito of Sardis . . . The argument from the destruction of the Jewish Temple is implicit in Justin I Apology 47.53, in Minucius Felix, Octavius 33, and takes in Origen shape, c.Celsum ..

After making that observation, Momigliano notes

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One among the many factors of this attitude was (as in the case of the Jews) the genuine fear of the end of the World, which it felt was approaching and inevitable. As long as the Roman Empire lasted, the end of the World was deferred. .

You'll note that none of the above addresses the (mythical?) persecutions of the Christians by the terrible pagan Emperors.

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So these are not statistically assumed early Christians - these are actual written documents attributed to early Christians, and Momigliano provides context and explanations for the apparent paradox.

But none of the above stuff deals directly with the (mythical?) persecutions.

Therefore when he writes:

"the very remarkable attitude of those Christians who, though persecuted by the Roman Empire, defended the notion that the Roman Empire had been providentially created to foster and support the Christian message."

I still find this quote paradoxical.

These guys were either stupid or prescient.

I suspect the latter.

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It actually sounds like these early Christians were very similar to modern American Christians in their somewhat schizophrenic attitude towards governmental power.

Are you suggesting your government is pagan?

(You don't have to answer that)

But the OP suggests that these persecuted early Christians may be mythical.

Does the author provide a body count greater than zero, if so who?

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04-02-2013, 09:25 AM	#82
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	its right there beside my nane

04-02-2013, 09:38 AM	#84
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	No I haven't seen any of her work. I remember watching Bill Maher and I saw this really pretty Palestinian woman - like 40 or something - who worked as a news broadcaster in Italy. She spoke German, Italian, Hebrew, Arabic and something else. My God she was the most beautiful woman. Here, I found her picture. It doesn't do her justice though My wife is extraordinarily pretty and in the similar age bracket. I remember meeting her mother a thousand years ago and being blown away. She looked just like Sophia Loren (she was insulted when I compared her to Gina Lollobrigida 'I think I look more like Sophia'). It's amazing how much genetics play a role in these things. The difficulty with these public figures is that you never know how much work they got to make them look 'all that.' Look at old movies of Angelina Jolie or how all that 'work' and excessive dieting affects how she looks now (monstrum in fronte).

04-02-2013, 10:32 AM	#85
outhouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Auburn ca Posts: 4,269	Candida is beautiful, no doubt. The Palestinian woman, has a natural beauty. Nice.

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