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I suspect you are trying to eliminate a thread which threatens to have some negative effect on Don's image, as well as to avoid having to answer my question: do you think Don's approach to his Amazon review is legitimate in that context? Why not keep the thread on track by answering that reasonable question? Earl Doherty |
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12-28-2012, 10:03 PM | #12 |
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GakuseiDon was on self ban, last I knew, which means he is not a current member, so maybe this thread can live on.
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While I do not appreciate the general tenor of Earl's ad hominem throughout this thread, he does have a reasonable grievance against GakuseiDon. The particular posting Don put up on Amazon, not containing a review but what amounted to a pre-release endorsement of an upcoming Carrier book was not a reasonable thing to do. If one posts a review it should reflect the poster's work of criticism, not merely rehearse statements by Carrier for which one has to go to Don's accumulated anti-Doherty grievances web page to find links to.
I really don't understand why GakuseiDon has expended so much of his energy doggedly attempting to damage Earl's work. There seems to be no collegial spirit in his efforts. Perhaps GakuseiDon could give some insight into his persistence regarding Earl and his work. Has he been so attentive to any other writers or has he dedicated his major efforts to Earl? |
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Don's review was light on specifics, but I think that was intentional: He appears to have wanted to give his overall opinion, along with giving it (perhaps) added legitimacy by quoting a scholar. Don stated that he agreed with Carrier's assessment that your work is not scholarly and is highly speculative, so he wasn't just dragging out another person's opinion. But Don did provide a link to his own analysis, a review longer than what Amazon.com would allow, and which by implication contains specific objections and examples supposedly supporting his overall negative opinion. It is an 800+ page book, so his approach actually makes good sense. Don also provided readers with a sense of some of the content of the book, and who might benefit from it (in his opinion), and he recommended an upcoming work he thinks may be better even though it may support your primary conclusion. All of these things are what people do when they review books on Amazon.com. I don't see anything way out of line here. It may not be the most helpful review since it lacked specifics (that reduces the power of its influence), but it appears that he was telling it the way he sees it, and not just the way Carrier sees it. |
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Now about Acharya S. Again, I suggest that you kick her out of your wagon circle. GakuseiDon's main point of ridicule is the ancient pygmy civilization, but my favorite point of ridicule is the long list of core specifics that the ancient Mesoamerican god Quetzalcoatl shares with Jesus, sourcing entirely from a handful of modern tertiary sources that make the same claim. This problem is not exceptional to Acharya S's literature. This is one of a significant set of problems distributed on almost every page in every single one of her books--citing modern tertiary sources for bizarre extraordinary claims. Fortunately for Acharya S, you have galloped to the defense of her preference for modern tertiary sources and nothing else as evidence for extraordinary claims. There are those who have expressed some uncertainty about the scholarship which originally presented some of the subject matter dealt with in this book [Christ Conspiracy], since much of it comes from the 19th and early 20th centuries. But there is a prominent reason why today's researcher is inevitably thrown back on this early period of investigation. The so-called History of Religions School was a feature of that period, represented by such luminaries as Reitzenstein, Bousset and Cumont, and other, less famous scholars.This was written in 1999, and it remains on your website. God knows why. |
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Don’t let em get you down Earl.
You rawk. Seriously. |
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If Don is going to associate Carrier's opinion with his own (that the book does not constitute "scholarship"--a ridiculous and heavily prejudiced piece of blanket hostility which places Don in the same camp as anti-mythicism fanatics like James McGrath), why does he not make it clear that Carrier's comment does not encompass an opinion that my work does not constitute scholarship in any way shape or form? Why imply that Carrier's view supports his own declaration that no scholarship is involved, and that Carrier's upcoming book--which no one, much less Don himself, has of not yet read--is of a categorically superior nature? Sorry, Ted, but Don deserves all the criticism he gets. And you are placing yourself in the same category of historicist supporters (often believers) who are motivated not by honest analysis of mythicism or mythicists but your own biased hostility against the very idea and anyone who proposes it. Yes, Ted, negative opinion and attacks come with the territory, but that doesn't make them honest and unbiased. Earl Doherty |
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And my point has long been that Don, far from doing me a favor, has done his best to discredit me down to the color of socks I wear, and regularly indulges in tactics which are questionable to say the least. His Amazon review is only the latest example. And yes, he continues to point people to his website review of JNGNM, without noting or showing any cognizance of the fact, there or on a DB like this one, that my own rebuttal to that review completely shredded it. Earl Doherty |
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