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That is why I wrote that Earl should ask Carrier how he can write a summary of his views in a format that they formally can use in their set up.
It is just a practical way to allow them and Earl to save face in relation to each other. Ok I am naive but emotions is important so them being humans, why not treat them that way. They need to save face so the only way is to abide to their set up and write something that is acceptable to them. That way all of you win. |
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The Jesus Project is considering methodology first. Then they will discuss the paucity of data and well various theories fit the data.
I should note that Robert Price has been somewhat positive in regard to Acharya S, and she has responded by trying to improve the scholarly level of her work - we will see how well in her next book. Astrotheology is not necessarily flakier than some Christian theories, but as Carrier noted in his essay on Kersey Graves, it needs a lot of work to bring it up to 21st century standards. |
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Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection http://stellarhousepublishing.com/ch...-contents.html She was once originally a fellow of The Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion (CSER) and was removed without the courtesy of any explanation whatsoever, still to this very day. http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...main&page=CSER What's up with that? I'm very disappointed by that type of unprofessional behavior. She should be apart of this project. |
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As an atheist who hated everything Christian and religious I hated Astrology too and I can't stand reading about such speculations but it looks very likely on the surface so maybe she is on to something?
But it is at same time a so far out theory that it is completely wacko. I mean why would they at all create a whole Catholic church and Konstantin seeing the potentiality in such lame thing as an astrology faith. So could it be partly right. In same way as they borrowed from Babylonic myths they could have borrowed all kinds of mythic material but that which did work was not the astrology thing but the Submitting to something bigger than you and the promises of an eternal life. Ok it all did happen so way back in time. I come to think of Marxists Leninists fighting it in Sovjet. Doesn't it all look very much the same. All the interpretation of the book and so on. All those Marxists, Maoists, Costroists sect like small groups all of them having sligtly different takes on it all. I mean humans where humans already then so all these Jewish and Roman and Greek interpretations going on and most likely they knew about Egypt and Persian views too and maybe even Buddhist/Hindu views and they made many different interpretations and combination and one of them get an upper hand and eliminated all the others brutally and that is not easy to sort out now so many years later. They burned the texts that could have told the truth about it all. I think what survived was the most brutal version, the ruthless dictator type indoctrination version. why one can't recommend faith to nobody. Jesus is not the kind guy they say. |
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In fact it occurs to me that since his comment on my book was specifically in the context of that listing of Wells' output, it may have been entirely motivated by some sort of competitive stance he envisioned (and disapproved of) between Wells and myself. As far as I'm concerned, there is none, and have a great respect for the 'grand old man' of late 20th century mythicism, even if I don't entirely agree with him. His negative comment I referred to about "the cosmic Christ" is a direct reference to the principal area in which I drastically differ from Wells and to which half of my book is dedicated--and for which, I might add, I am chiefly known (and often criticized). Not only does that put me outside any 'rehash' accusation, it indicates a pro-Wells position which seems to invite scorn of someone whose views might call Wells' judgment into question. And once again, I regret not putting in a 'humor' alert for those who are humor impaired. Earl Doherty |
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This seems an ill-disguised attempt to sow dissension in the ranks, Don (*). As for my review of Acharya's book, it was a show of support for a fellow mythicist who I felt had something good to say, even if aspects of that book were open to criticism by those who are ever ready to take that opportunity. I felt Robert Price had gotten carried away in his initial response, and was glad to see that he has come around to embracing the value her work does possess. And no, I'm not saying anything further on this subject. * wanted to put a 'wink' icon here, but nothing I tried worked. Geez, I can't be that stupid. Earl Doherty |
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Perhaps with an invitation to do more translations. |
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http://www.jesuspusslet.se/
Translation in Swedish. I am lazy but found these within some minutes. The Jesus Puzzle (2-Volume Set) ... (Translated into Korean) ยท Titles Starting With H ~ K The Jesus Puzzle (2- Volume Set) ... While based on the author's work for The Jesus Puzzle website, ... hanbooks.com/jesuspuzzle.html |
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Earl, I have it directly from Hoffmann himself that once the the JP website is back up (editing papers from the last session has prevented him from having had rime to deal with the website), he is going to invite you to write something that will be considered and discussed at a JP session. He also notes that I should inform you that the website should be back up by February 1st "in case [Earl] wants to get a start" on writing something for the JPs consideration. And in the FWIW department, as well as FYI, he also tells me that what he meant by "'disciple' [not "pupil"] of Wells" in his footnote was, to quote him, " 'of the same ilk,' not slavish follower". And yes, I have his permission to say so. Jeffrey |
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