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Toto · 05-09-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wiploc

What is "HB"?

crc

Hebrew Bible, I assume

rlogan · 05-09-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Hebrew Bible, I assume

Yup.

spin · 05-10-2004, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rlogan

Matthew tells us in Ch 2:

"23": And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

The problem is the only thing you can find in the HB is "nazarite". There are a couple of references. One I cited. I forgot where the other one was, but they are the same "nazarite".

Just a few small things. The transcription from the HB should be "nazirite" from the Hebrew NZYR. The second "a" is downright wrong. This sort of "see one letter, write another" is quite common in this particular subject. That which is transcribed above from Mt 2:23 as "Nazarene" should in fact be something like "Nazoraean" from the Greek nazwraios. Now these things are enough in themselves as bein gmore accurate, but at the same time one should be aware of the fact that at the period some scribes were writing Hebrew in ancient times had a habit, at least in some Dead Sea Scrolls of writing WAW and YOD so that a modern reader cannot distinguish between them. This means that nazwraios (w = omega, the usual Greek transliteration of a WAW) could have been seen as related to NAZYR.

How either nazwraios or NAZYR could be related to Nazaret beats me.

spin

rlogan · 05-10-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

How either nazwraios or NAZYR could be related to Nazaret beats me.

spin

Thank you, spin.

No matter how you slice this it is a convoluted situation. We've got at least one more example of prophesy error with the virgin birth.

These gospel perps were not very careful crooks.

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