someotherguy

Calm down. Take a deep breath and lose the hysterics.

Try doing a Forum Search for threads with the word "Koran" or "Islam" in the title. There certainly are fewer threads here about the Koran than about the Bible or Christianity, but that's only to be expected. The majority of people here are Americans who live in a predominantly Christian society.

The fact is that some people do debate the veracity of the Koran just like some people do the same for the Bible. The fact that this occurs is not evidence for the truthfulness of either scripture.

mata leao

<edit>PROVE your affirmative assertion or retract it.

someotherguy

My assertion is that people here and elsewhere debate the Koran. You really don't think this is true? Here's some evidence:

The Basics of Islam: 2- One God One Mission

The Official KORAN and SCIENCE Thread

Has Anyone Here Read the Koran?

Unbelieverable KORAN SCIENCE! Proof of Koranic divinity!

Lets Discuss The Quran

No Virgins? Raisins? Eh?

Those are just a few examples. There are plenty more.

ETA: Here is an article by Richard Carrier, the founder of Infidels on the Quran and Science: Cosmology and the Koran: A Response to Muslim Fundamentalists (2001)

Care to retract your acusation against me?

someotherguy

Oh, and sorry about the derail, everybody.

mata leao

that's it! that's all! a handful of posters from iidb? millions of intellectuals from around the entire world daily debate the Christian Bible!

NZSkep

we only argue about it because people like you, mata leao, say it is divinely inspired. If people claimed the illiad was divinely inspired and the inerrant word of god and gives us rules as how to live out life then i'm sure people would debate that. Nobody claims that so we d not bother to debate it. Likewise if everybody knew the bible was divinely inspired then there would be no debate.

mata: are you expecting someotherguy to provide you with comprehensive lists of every single person debating the koran?

someotherguy

Holy shifting goal posts, Batman! You originally stated that the fact that people argue about the Bible is proof that it is divinely inspired. I pointed out that people also debate the Koran. Now if it is true that more people debate the Bible than the Koran (a claim that you have offered no evidence for and that I have not even attempted to debunk) does that mean that both the Bible and the Koran are divinely inspired, but that the Bible is "more inspired?"

SaintCog

Someone needs to do a study on the number of exclamation points and capital letters used by Christians versus atheists. Why does it seem like Christians are always shouting and arbitrarily capitalizing simple nouns like TRUTH?

Sorry, just one of my pet peeves. In any case, why is anyone taking mata's argument seriously?

"More people argue about X than any other textual corpus. Therefore, X is divinely inspired."

Does the form of this argument hold true at all times in history or just when Christianity began to gain prominence? There was a time when the texts of the New Testament were less widely distributed and read than the Iliad and the Odyssey, for example. Does that mean that at that time the New Testament was not inspired, and then only became divinely inspired when a lot of people began to argue about it?

The logic here is patently absurd. It's the same temporally myopic view that plagues Majority Text proponents.

mata leao

i told ya it gets under your skins (no exclamation point needed)

SaintCog

Unnecessary punctuation and capitalization gets under my skin. The Bible does not. I actually like the Bible a lot, and become discouraged when it is misused and abused.

Absurd arguments also get to me. But there are plenty of those to go around in the Christian and atheist camps. Yours just happened to be the most recent, and also pretty high up there on the absurd scale.