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spin · 07-14-2012, 02:26 PM

Here's a book--noticed while checking the one mentioned in the o.p.--that will probably knock the piss out of the hystericists we have here: Jesus, Criteria, and the Demise of Authenticity (or via: amazon.co.uk) ed. Chris Keith & Anthony Le Donne, T&T Clark 2012 ISBN 978-0567377234. It will include such juicy topics as:

Loren T. Stuckenbruck, "Semitic influence on Greek": an Authenticating criterion in Jesus Research?
Rafael Rodriguez, The Embarrassing Truth about Jesus: The Criterion of Embarrassment and the Failure of Historical Authenticity
Mark Goodacre, Criticizing the Criterion of Multiple Attestation: The Historical Jesus and the Question of Sources

I can hardly wait to hear the whinging of those who drone on about embarrassment and claims of multiple attestation.

stephan huller · 07-14-2012, 03:33 PM

i hear good things about this marcia goodacre. she`s out of north carolina i think

outhouse · 07-14-2012, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

i hear good things about this marcia goodacre. she`s out of north carolina i think

he has a pretty jacked up view

aa5874 · 07-14-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Parker

In The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark" (or via: amazon.co.uk), it's suggested that Jesus is portrayed as a carpenter because the author of gMark wanted to show Jesus as a greater hero than Odysseus. Odysseus was an accomplished carpenter in Homer, who built a ship, among other things.

Origen claimed 1600 hundred years ago that Jesus was NOT described as a carpenter in the extant gospels of the Church.

Perhaps, Jesus became a carpenter by "Chinese Whispers".

"Against Celsus" 6.36

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... in none of the Gospels current in the Churches is Jesus Himself ever described as being a carpenter...

LegionOnomaMoi · 07-15-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Juststeve

Toto:

That one can imagine how a character might have been invented is not evidence that they were invented.

Steve

Well, of course.

But one historicist argument has always been that a character like Jesus just couldn't have been invented (because Christians were unsophisticated fisherman, or there wasn't enough time between the date of the gospels and the time of the alleged crucifixion.) Legion is arguing that in another thread that is active now.

Who hacked my account? I don't recall ever arguing that Jesus was likely historical based on character creation or any of what you attribute to me. Assuming that you are referring to the thread concerning ancient historiography and narrative, the issue is not the character or even the literary quality of the gospels. Rather, given its literary quality, I argued that the author of Mark is unlikely to have created a novel genre which combined the narrative of biography/history and various fictional forms. The work on narrative and genre is incredibly extensive, and includes a great deal of research into Greco-Roman literary forms. A basis of my argument is that Mark (which lacks the literary quality of novels or even better historical narratives) could hardly be the product of an individual whose literary capacity enabled the creation of an extension to historical narratives via the combination of such works with ahistorical texts.

Toto · 07-16-2012, 10:17 AM

Population of Jerusalem discussion split and merged here

07-14-2012, 02:26 PM	#41
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Another book Here's a book--noticed while checking the one mentioned in the o.p.--that will probably knock the piss out of the hystericists we have here: Jesus, Criteria, and the Demise of Authenticity (or via: amazon.co.uk) ed. Chris Keith & Anthony Le Donne, T&T Clark 2012 ISBN 978-0567377234. It will include such juicy topics as: Loren T. Stuckenbruck, "Semitic influence on Greek": an Authenticating criterion in Jesus Research? Rafael Rodriguez, The Embarrassing Truth about Jesus: The Criterion of Embarrassment and the Failure of Historical Authenticity Mark Goodacre, Criticizing the Criterion of Multiple Attestation: The Historical Jesus and the Question of Sources I can hardly wait to hear the whinging of those who drone on about embarrassment and claims of multiple attestation.

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