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Old 10-12-2012, 10:43 AM   #21
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oh god. the aa, mountainman, avi trifecta
This is exactly what I predicted. You cannot ever argue using the actual recovered evidence that the Jesus story and cult originated in the 1st century before c 70 CE.

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I kept telling Pete that it would be radical enough for him to claim that Christianity originated in the second century. But he was stuck on claiming a fourth century origin.
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I've always enjoyed MM's posts, even though I don't agree with his late dating. I've always maintained that it's useful that somebody stake out an extreme position like that, and he's always done that just about as well as anyone could. It would be a shame to see him disappear from these discussions altogether.

But I would expect that, by now, if he comes back he'll take a more reasonable position, say 2nd century. 4th century, despite his sterling efforts, is just too implausible.
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Take out the 4th century!!?? That would be like taking the glimmer out of the Rolling Stones!
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I find Roger's point to be well-taken and troubling. Twice, in the last six months, long time internet buddies have vanished. In the first case, the guy was gone for a month, came back after having suffered a heart attack and then vanished again. In that case his son told the Admin at Archaeolgoica that he had suffered a second heart attack and didn't make it.

The second case is a guy in Australia who has simply vanished from Atheistforums.org. Emails have gone unanswered and, again as Roger says, he did live alone.

So, yeah - I'm concerned.
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If all of this is an elaborate preparation for the second coming of mountainman. Maybe he's become a Mormon ...
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I kept telling Pete that it would be radical enough for him to claim that Christianity originated in the second century. But he was stuck on claiming a fourth century origin.
You keep telling Pete to argue what you don't??

Please, tell us what you argue??

Did the Jesus cult originate in the 1st century as claimed in Church History attributed to Eusebius, Toto??

Toto, please tell the Church, tell Doherty, tell Ehrman NOT to argue that the Jesus cult originate in the 1st century.

But, Toto you are NOT radical enough to argue against Doherty and Ehrman.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:00 AM   #27
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MM posts occasionally, as Kookaburra Jack, at the Secular Cafe.

I've never really believed his Constantinian theory, but I do give him credit for impressive research and original thought.
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So he's alive. What do you say we move on.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:05 PM   #29
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Default thanks for the little bit of help from my friends ....

My thanks for all the well wishes here and in other threads.

Drumming up some THANKS for the SUPPORT

It's been a long and untrodden path I have covered in 7 years of research as an amateur historian. In this time I have met and conversed with many people all of whom, great and small, have taught me something that I did not know before the journey started. To all these people my heartfelt thanks.



A final quote from the canonical books of Plato ....

"Be kind to every person you meet,
for they too are fighting the hard fight."
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