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Ehrman sta in dietro e non riesce a ricuperare, solo seguire. Forse nel futuro guardera' piu' attentamente al discorso del miticismo.

Chaucer

Very well said. Thank you, Littlejohn. A number of us do indeed find the often illogical insistence of the mythers just as disconcerting as that of the fundies. You have expressed this eloquently; my compliments. Hopefully, others here may have a sharper idea now, as a result, of just why a few of us find the dogged insistence of the mythers so troubling.

Cheers,

Chaucer

maryhelena

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Littlejohn

Thank you!


Greetings

Littlejohn

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Littlejohn

Thanks for yours appreciations!..


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Littlejohn

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Littlejohn

I have reason to believe that you are not very in agreement...


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Littlejohn

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maryhelena

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bleubird

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/ehrman-bart/37934
Yes some times noory has sane quest.
Bart said he is an atheist.He thinks there was a(n)historic Jesus.Just not divine.
The show was about the letters of Paul.
Not sure I need to read his last book,as I am convinced the new testament is a mess.

Steven Carr

'never considered such a theory'.?

Good to know that scholars are going to write books without considering the contents.

Meanwhile, other scholars are writing books documenting the repeated failures of the numerous quests to find an Historical Jesus.

These Quests have failed so often, that they even get numbered.

Chaucer

You mean as in looking at a variety of no fewer than _thirteen_ Pauline references* in the seven authentic Paulilnes, plus similar references in the EXTRA-BIBLICAL Josephus and Tacitus and the Mishnah and Pliny and Suetonius, and in then seeing that the most likely fit for all of these _half dozen_ sources is an entirely human preacher called Jesus who was nailed by the Romans? Now please don't try moving the goalposts here as many a myther would by responding that "Oh, but in this one case, you surely see the ambiguity of bla bla bla, and that one reference is clearly interpolated, and anyone with brains can see that over here we have a special case of simple misunderstanding, etc., etc., etc." To do that is to fall into exactly the kind of thing you are critiquing here. You've said, "Serious historians look at a variety of evidence and see how the pieces fit together". How right you are. You are referring to the principle of consilience. And if you want to question all _half-dozen_ sources, then you can't get away from a de facto questioning of all _half-dozen_ as a _group_(!), which is precisely what a responsible historian would never do. S/He may question one or even two in a pinch, but to question all of the _half-dozen_ for whatever multiple reasonSSS, thereby stubbing one's toe against the principle of Occam's Razor, gets us into the realm of sheer comedy and away from serious history.

Once and for all, kindly address the ludicrousness of coming up with ad hoc argumentSSS for an ARRAY of DIFFERENT sources -- mostly _extra-Biblical_ -- AS A GROUP.

Thank you,

Stein

* Born into a Jewish family of a Jewish mother.
Galatians 4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law

The family may have been partly related to the David line, or "descent from David" may have simply been an emblematic way of saying he was of David's people -- i.e., a Jew.
Romans 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David

He was born into a family with at least two brothers, one of them named James.
Galatians 1:18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.
19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord's brother.

1 Corinthians 9:5 Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas?

He preached that a wife could not leave her husband.
1 Corinthians 7:10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband.

He preached that those who taught the gospel should earn their living from it.
1 Corinthians 9:13 Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

To the day of his crucifixion, he maintained a humble station in life.
Phillipians 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!

On the last night of his freedom, he and his followers instituted a custom of memorializing his time with them through bread and drink.
1 Corinthians 11:23 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

He told his followers he'd come back miraculously after his execution, and those who might die in the interim would join him in the resurrection when he'd return.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

He was crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1 Thessalonians 2:14 You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.

He was buried.
Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death

After he was buried, a few traumatized followers thought they saw him raised from the tomb.
1 Corinthians 15:3 that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.