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Queen of Swords · 01-12-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lpetrich

But it seems that Ms. Goodman has been operating on a principle of a different planet for each zodiac sign.

That's correct. Which is why she had to invent those two planets, because otherwise Taurus and Virgo were left out, and therefore had to borrow the planets of other sun signs (I'm not kidding).

In her own little mythology, Pisces related to Neptune and Scorpio to Pluto, though I forget the rest.

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And the planets are very unlike their astrological attributes, which are derived from their Greco-Roman-deity identifications. Did any astrologer ever predict what the planets are really like?

That reminds me of a poem :

The Moon is made of silver,
The Sun is made of gold,
Jupiter is made of tin,
So the ancients told.

Venus is made of copper,
Saturn is made of lead,
And Mars is made of iron,
So the ancients said.

But what the earth was made of,
So very long ago,
The ancients never told us,
Because they didn't know.

Ojuice5001 · 01-12-2005, 01:57 AM

Well, hey, they were right about Mars being made out of iron. Not through the rightness of astrology, but because they knew that rust is red, and it turns out that the stuff that makes Mars red really is rust. We probably don't yet know enough about Venus to know how much copper there is there; it seems that we'd have to start digging the place up, but someone can correct me if we do know. Copper may not form a plurality of Venus's atoms, but it's common enough in the universe that there might be planets with a lot of it, just as Earth has a lot of aluminum.

All the other planets, and the sun and moon, are not made of the elements that astrology says they correspond to. (Well, I guess the moon could still surprise us and have more silver than we thought. Still, it's unlikely, because silver is known to be rare in the universe.) I actually put some stock in these kind of correspondences, but they don't tell us what the planets are made of. Or anything equally useful.

I don't think ancient ideas about the composition of the Earth were that wrong. The world has copious amounts of water, sand, and rock, and from the time of Thales some people recognized this. Not that they knew exactly what water, sand, and rock are, but then, do we? Or do we just know more facts about them?

And actually, when we did find out what Earth is made of, scientists jumped to the conclusion that the sun and stars were made of those same substances as well. Solving the mystery of how the sun burns was made harder because people couldn't figure out what property of silicon was making it happen. :devil3: The ancient idea that the stars were made out of aether might have been closer to being right, because at least the stars are made of a substance (hydrogen) that is seldom found in its pure form on Earth and that, under the right conditions, glows with its own light.

openeyes · 01-12-2005, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kaleidescope

One rule: Please place your answers prior to reading any!!

1. What is your sun sign?

2. What is the worst thing that's ever happened to you?

3. How do you currently feel about this life event?

4. What is the best thing that's ever happened to you?

5. How do you currently feel about this life event?

Disclaimer: I read a couple responses many days ago but haven't looked at the thread since a day or so after it began.

1) Aries (I think horoscopes are BS, BTW.)

2) My husband stunned me by saying he wanted out of our marriage.

3) Resigned/accepting. (I had better since it happened over a decade ago!)

4) Becoming a parent (twice.)

5) That being a mom has become such a part of my being that I don't have to question "What's the point (of life)?" often. I still question that in the back of my mind occasionally, but there's too much going on in my life to dwell upon it.

openeyes · 01-12-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TomJoe

1. What is your sun sign? SPF 40

kaleidescope · 01-12-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen of Swords

Interesting how it only did so around the time my sun sign was clearly spelled out, and not when I asked you to guess it. Oh, I have no doubt that piscean came to your mind. Along with aquarian, arian, taurean, cancerean, scorpian, capricornean, etc. It must have been so very difficult to guess the correct one.

One more piece of evidence that astrology doesn't work.

i'd have to check you against my stash of astrology info and i would like to.

kaleidescope · 01-12-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jobar

There's this thing called 'precession of the equinoxes'.

The Earth wobbles as it rotates, very slowly, like a spinning top. Every sixteen thousand years approximately, the poles trace out circles on the sky.

Now, the traditional sun signs were set by an ancient civilization- Chaldeans, maybe?- I forget- but anyway, long enough ago that the poles have moved. This means that the position of the sun at the equinoxes has moved, too- and so we are all *actually* born under the sign *preceding* the ones your horoscope says. I was born Oct. 11, but instead of a Libra, I'm actually a Virgo. A Pisces is really an Aquarius.

I just love to lay this on believers in astrology. Blows their minds. It may be that some understand this, but none that I've ever met have.

(And it may be that someone else has posted this on this thread, but I've only read the last page, so...)

I think I've got one up on this, but I still believe there's validity to astrology.
The zodiac is a wheel with 12 sections. Imagine if there's a 13th sign in the middle of the wheel. i see this possible sign as connecting with each one of the others. i lean toward thinking this is the case, and i feel that this would hide an awful lot of clarifying information. I have issued this info to two astrological societies with a request to let me know if they thought i was planely stoned out of my mind or if this could be accurate. one of the two, i asked twice. neither answered me at all.

kaleidescope · 01-12-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Heurismus

Well for the death of a father I suppose the probability of such an event occuring at my age is far greater, but you 'assumed' wrongly and 'Status Quo' I think isn't a strong term to use in this application, same old chords but groovy to head bang to I suppose.

But no I haven't seen one and I have checked when Damien and I were transposed in the womb and I actually first saw light at 0855. I'll check the longitude if you want. This really should be interesting, seriously. (don't forget the jokes

)

H, next time add, 'in crime'. and you're right, i was wrong about the status quo statement. i mentioned before getting married i was in 2 long term relationships which never became "legal" marriages. another revelation i had was that the Gods saw them as marriages. further, Gods couldn't care less what anyones sexual orientation is. the good Gods aren't concerned with what a person does but why they are doing it, good intention vs. bad intention.

kaleidescope · 01-12-2005, 11:08 AM

Thank you openeyes.
if no one has bought a single a thing i've posted in this forum, keep this one in check. God's greatest gift to the WORLD are children, and children are Satan's biggest victims. when each of you has the chance to make an impression on a child, take an extra minute to make sure your impression on that child is positive and not negative.

Jobar · 01-12-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidescope

I think I've got one up on this, but I still believe there's validity to astrology.
The zodiac is a wheel with 12 sections. Imagine if there's a 13th sign in the middle of the wheel. i see this possible sign as connecting with each one of the others. i lean toward thinking this is the case, and i feel that this would hide an awful lot of clarifying information. I have issued this info to two astrological societies with a request to let me know if they thought i was planely stoned out of my mind or if this could be accurate. one of the two, i asked twice. neither answered me at all.

Mmmm-hm.

Well, I'd say they were being polite, then.

Queen of Swords · 01-12-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidescope

i'd have to check you against my stash of astrology info and i would like to.

Go ahead. Though what your stash is going to tell you now that it couldn't tell you when I first issued my challenge is anyone's guess.

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01-12-2005, 01:57 AM	#112
Ojuice5001 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A city in Florida that I love Posts: 3,416	Well, hey, they were right about Mars being made out of iron. Not through the rightness of astrology, but because they knew that rust is red, and it turns out that the stuff that makes Mars red really is rust. We probably don't yet know enough about Venus to know how much copper there is there; it seems that we'd have to start digging the place up, but someone can correct me if we do know. Copper may not form a plurality of Venus's atoms, but it's common enough in the universe that there might be planets with a lot of it, just as Earth has a lot of aluminum. All the other planets, and the sun and moon, are not made of the elements that astrology says they correspond to. (Well, I guess the moon could still surprise us and have more silver than we thought. Still, it's unlikely, because silver is known to be rare in the universe.) I actually put some stock in these kind of correspondences, but they don't tell us what the planets are made of. Or anything equally useful. I don't think ancient ideas about the composition of the Earth were that wrong. The world has copious amounts of water, sand, and rock, and from the time of Thales some people recognized this. Not that they knew exactly what water, sand, and rock are, but then, do we? Or do we just know more facts about them? And actually, when we did find out what Earth is made of, scientists jumped to the conclusion that the sun and stars were made of those same substances as well. Solving the mystery of how the sun burns was made harder because people couldn't figure out what property of silicon was making it happen. :devil3: The ancient idea that the stars were made out of aether might have been closer to being right, because at least the stars are made of a substance (hydrogen) that is seldom found in its pure form on Earth and that, under the right conditions, glows with its own light.

01-12-2005, 11:08 AM	#118
kaleidescope Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: usa Posts: 91	Thank you openeyes. if no one has bought a single a thing i've posted in this forum, keep this one in check. God's greatest gift to the WORLD are children, and children are Satan's biggest victims. when each of you has the chance to make an impression on a child, take an extra minute to make sure your impression on that child is positive and not negative.

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