Jeffrey Formosa

The fact that Christians try to have WW2 books and movies not talk about Hitler's Christianity mean's that they know Hitler is one more black eye in there list of black eye's. I only found about it before when I saw this http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creatio...y/Hitler.shtml and http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creatio...s/Hitler.shtml

For all way know there could 3 times as many Christian killings. Who know's how many things have been lied about, who know's how many dark secrets are in the Vatican Secret Library.

Herakles

When using this as evidence against Christianity, there are two questions that need to be asked:
1. Is his Christianity what caused it? You are simply showing that he was a Christian and he commited genocide. So what? If his Christian beliefs are not what caused his crime, then they are irrelevent. By your line of reasoning, are Germans bad too? After all, Hitler was a German.

2. Would it have happened anyways? In other words, is religion, or more specifically Christianity, simply used as an excuse for both the good and bad? I think it's the people who are at fault, not their beliefs. Yes, Hitler probably hated the Jews because of Christianity. But if Christianity hadn't existed, he woud just have found another group to hate.

Jeffrey Formosa

Christianity is what made him kil the jews. If Christianity was true it would stop people from doing things like this but it doesn't. The word of god doesn't do any thing. Germans don't clam to be all good, Atheist's don't clam to be all good, Christians do clam they are all good and any one who does something bad in god's name is not longer called a Christian by other Christians.

A) Christianity is good and bad so why only call god good.

b) Christianity has no effect on a person been good or bad so why believe&worship god if it doesn't do anything.

Opera Nut

I think I could boil this question about why Christians who do bad things are distanced from other Christians, by the dodge of "not a True Christian":

This comes from the assumption that a religion's values are reflected in the behavior of its adherents. So, how come you never hear about rioting Buddhists? Or rioting Ba'hais?

Christians want to think of themselves as peaceful and kind. When they gloss over evil behavior, they conveniently forget the bad-ass Jesus of the NT and the angry pissed-off god of the OT.
As in Matthew 10?? "I come not in peace but with a sword"??

Jeffrey Formosa

http://worldzone.net/family/johnande...ndexztwo.shtml
"Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 "spotless" men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies"

Buddhist don't believe in good or evil and they don't clam to be good like Christians do.

sharon45

What seems never noticed is that the world's history was very bloody from the religious and non religious existing at the same time. How would it have been without any religion at all, really any more so?

I feel it would have been a lot less violent because religion brings out the exact extremes needed for violence:

1. Fear, from their god(s) punishment for not following its 'orders and teachings'.

2. Greed, for the rewards by their god(s) for following its 'orders and teachings'.

Followers knowing they have to follow without question, that is how most religions are setup and a very dangerous mix.

Power is an issue for war for both religious and the non, but power for a god is even more so than that for any other leader because of the two main reasons stated before. Done to the extreme, eternal pleasure or eternal punishment. A human leader in comparison, is very limited, he can only please or punish anyone during anyone's short lifetime. Many leaders throughout history learned well also from the idea of god(s), and had it known that they were gods on earth, this goes even to recent times with the emperor of Japan during WW2 being one example.

As I've pointed out many times before, without religion, everyone would have to really face reality, without the illusions, secrets, and lies. All would have to in time, truly understand about their world and its peoples, instead of noticing so much the differences with fear, hatred, and ignorance.

azazel

"Were they fought for religion?"

You bring up Hitler and Stalin, but they slaughtered to deify the man-god. Why not bring up the Abbasids, barbarian invasions (AKA the crusades, esp. the 4th), the Office of the Holy Inquisition, Amaxosa Delusion, etc.? They were I believe, religious in nature.

Take Constaninople, greatest city in the known world (not counting China), repository of knowledge, culture, and technology. After their crushing defeat at Manzikert, the Roman Emperor asks the Western pope for help. A few hundred knights perhaps? But no, he gets thousands of unruly fanatics/raiders who couldn't tell the difference between muslim, christian, and jew upon storming Jerusalem. What's more to add insult to injury, on the 4th attempt to "save" the "holy land", they take a detour, and then proceed to sack and pillage Constantinople itself. And don't even get me started on the Children's crusade, masterminded by two monks, I think. Without the Byzantines, most of us would have to live life without any semblance of democracy, that being a greek idea and all preserved through the effort of imperial scholars. And without them to protect Western Europe from Islamic invasion during "Christendom's" infancy, most of you and myself included, would be facing Mecca 5 times a day. Am I making any sense here?

Jeffrey Formosa

Hitler wasn't an Atheist, he was a Christian http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creatio...y/Hitler.shtml and http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creatio...s/Hitler.shtml

Magus55

Thats highly debatable. I can also show you quotes of Hitler saying Christianity was a plague on Earth.

Mr. Bird

Thanks in advance for providing us with these quotes (and your sources).