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So you have been drinking: loss of braincells is a sure sign -- either drinking or listening to the Shrub.

Anyway, moving right along, Jesus, if we retro-transliterate, would be Y$W$ (the "e" in this case would be mater lectionis and therefore not need to be written). Y$W$ is 10 + 300 + 6 + 300 = 616, the alternative reading found in the manuscript tradition for 666.

(And Vork, you're going to spin out with all that rolling around.)


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Anat

spin, as much as I enjoyed your response to the OP, I must comment that using the higher values for the final forms of K, M, N, P and C isn't something that is done consistently, and using the values for the regular form is acceptable. Thus for example, the Hebrew years of 5740 and 5750 were written with the final forms of M and N respectively. People who didn't like to see 5744 written as T$MD sometimes wrote it T$DM, with the final M (not that the alternate form has a more positive meaning; hence the other alternative - $DMT).

As for Joel, maybe he will be encouraged to find that his real name, if I have it correctly, adds up to a nice, perfect 100.

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Agnostic Theist

What's Agnostic Beast in this gematria thingy?

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[Edited to add:] Yet supplies very different values, rendering the process of significance to whom?

Fields?

This is starting to sound a little like something written by Yevgeny Zamyatin.


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Anat

$D MT -> Dead demon, or a demon died.

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Never would have thought of that, but I do ponder on the notion that $D can mean 1. destruction, 2. demon, and 3. breast. In those discourses about the wickedness of women, I don't remember any word plays using $D. I might have to go and check it out.


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Celsus

) 1
G 3
N 50
W 6
S 60
+ 9
Y 10
K 500

B 2
Y 10
S 60
T 400

= 1111

You are clearly a marked man.

666/100

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I think you're working on a different mathematical system from me. I would think that (NT would be 70 + 50 + 400 = 520.


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Anat

Oops. (I think I was confused by my real name...)

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I wonder when the Aramaic gematria was derived from geometry. I thought that geometry was coined in the renaissance, but I now discover that it goes back to antiquity. Herodotus uses it, though specifically for land measurement, as is the case with Aristophanes, the Clouds. The question must be, when did geometry become abstracted. In Greek Egypt it took on the meaning of land tax, obviously based on the measurement of the land. Cicero used it and I think that was the abstract partner to mathematics...

Yet, now I find in Jastrow's Dictionary of the Targumim, he claims that it comes from a corruption of grammatia (plural of grammateion), originally meaning "accounts". This could be correct and the notion of "divine geometry" only folk etymology. Jastrow indicates that Berakot 8a was already using letters based on their numerical values.


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