Steven Carr

That is probably why he was crucified. He stayed in the background and did not stand out too much. Being obscure and anonymous was very dangerous. That was just the sort of person likely to come to the attention of the Romans.

hjalti

Steven, so you think that we should expect to hear about all the people the Romans executed?

Doug Shaver

If he was so ordinary, what gave his disciples the notion that he was the son of God?

Doug Shaver

No. Just the ones whose disciples deified them.

hjalti

And why would you expect that? How many names of cruxified jews in the 1st century do we actually know? Rather few I would expect.

Do books like "The history of the USA in the 20th century" mention all the crazy cult leaders? Of course not.

Vivisector

Who knows - maybe it was his disciples who were something-other-than ordinary.

Cheers,

V.

aa5874

If a man called Jesus the Messiah was NOT executed by the Romans would you expect to hear about it?

The fact that there are NO credible sources of antiquity that mentioned Jesus supports the THEORY that were was NO Jesus the Messiah in the 1st century BEFORE the Fall of the Temple c 70 CE.

Silence on Jesus does NOT help the HJ argument at all.

Doug Shaver

Right. Because rather few of them had disciples who deified them after their executions.

Doug Shaver

Name me one 20th-century cult leader whose followers claimed that he was raised from the dead and whose name was never mentioned by even one 20th-century historian.

Doug Shaver

Not one of them was mentioned by contemporary historians, either.