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Old 08-06-2012, 05:05 PM   #61
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That's exactly the point of my question.
In any case, there is no evidence at all of communities as varied and wide as we would hypothesize. No evidence of a Johannine community, a Matthean community or any other community in the 4th century or any other century, including a Corinth Pauline community or a Galata Pauline community.

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AND no actual evidence that the variety of NT texts were authored by a central religious body
at that time there was no religious body.


it was a wide and varied movement that was all over the board.


if much of the text were not lost to war and to the burnings in Constantines generation, we would have more knowledge of ho wthe evolution and progression took place.
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The Gospels themselves are evidence for these communities.
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Why are they evidence??

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Because somebody had to produce them, copy them and disseminate them, and it was different groups of people doing it for each book independently of each other.
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Johannine community we kind of see, with the 3 different parts written over a period of time

the others could very well just be scribes recording collections of either previously written material and or enough people to pull different sources of oral tradition.

Or a simple scribe who took enough interest to start recording what he picked up in said locations known and or unknown
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One guy couldn't have copied and distributed them by himself to any significant degree.
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exactly

we have paul as a track record of how that progresses
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But no evidence exists for this assertion.

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Because somebody had to produce them, copy them and disseminate them, and it was different groups of people doing it for each book independently of each other.
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Because somebody had to produce them, copy them and disseminate them, and it was different groups of people doing it for each book independently of each other.

there is evidence within the scripture

we see different sources, writing styles ect ect as well as redactions, from different geopgraphic locations based on writing style
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This is suggestive of different authors with different ideas, but is not evidence of actual COMMUNITIES. There is no evidence of actual communities advocating any of the gospels, or for that matter any of the epistles.

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there is evidence within the scripture

we see different sources, writing styles ect ect as well as redactions, from different geopgraphic locations based on writing style
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