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gdeering · 11-13-2009, 05:28 AM

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He has torn us to pieces..... on the third day he will restore us,

Too bad there were not more skeptics around to make the (H/M)J'ers stick to the facts. We needed a Messiah who was torn apart (what a better playground for Acharya S that would have made).

GD

dog-on · 11-13-2009, 05:31 AM

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The same people (ask April) who screwed up the Gospel of Judas.

How did National Geographic "screw up" the report on the discovery of the Gospel according to Judas?

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Not sure of this stone, myself, but once again I am amazed by DeConick.

She, perhaps rightfully excoriates the media for sensationalism, but seems oblivious to the fact that the gospel authors did, indeed, have a source for the idea of the 3 day motif even though she specifically mentions it.
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And if the gospel writers used this in the first or second century AD, why is it so impossible that someone writing in the first century BC couldn't have done the same.

The only reason I can think of is bcause Mrs. DeConick has a certain preconception that she would rather not abandon.

I perhaps misunderstand, entirely, what is going on, for I have no idea about Ms. DeConick, and have never before encountered paleobabble, so I am quite perplexed. I have the National Geographic article, somewhere, I think, about Judas, but I don't recall what it states, so, I am confused about the arguments.

I thought that Ms. DeConick explained that the Jewish professor who examined the stone refuted, entirely, the notion that the word "messiah" existed on the Gabriel Stone. Further, I thought that she or someone else had explained the old testament tradition of three days to receive some sort of benefit from yahweh, so that there was nothing new or original about this Gabriel stone, and very little of any substance to refute the myth of Christianity.

What are the issues being debated?
What is her preconception or bias that derails her attempt to perform an objective analysis?
:huh:

avi

Like I said, if the gospel writers could dig up this passage in the first or second centuries AD, why couldn't someone have done the same in the first century BC?

The source existed at the earlier time as well.

avi · 11-13-2009, 06:08 AM

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The source existed at the earlier time as well.

yeah, Hosea was written, I understand, about 700 BCE.

But, what I don't understand, is how Ms. DeConick's perspective interferes with her assertion that the forthcoming Gabriel Stone interpretation by National Geographic, will be flawed, in view of the absence of the word Messiah on the stone, as well as the ancient theme of waiting three days described in the passage from Hosea.

dog-on · 11-13-2009, 06:32 AM

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The source existed at the earlier time as well.

yeah, Hosea was written, I understand, about 700 BCE.

But, what I don't understand, is how Ms. DeConick's perspective interferes with her assertion that the forthcoming Gabriel Stone interpretation by National Geographic, will be flawed, in view of the absence of the word Messiah on the stone, as well as the ancient theme of waiting three days described in the passage from Hosea.

Indeed. We'll have to watch and see...

Toto · 11-13-2009, 09:11 AM

The National Geographic publicized the idea that the Gospel of Judas featured Judas as a hero. DeConick feels that there was a critical mistranslation of a key word, and Judas is still the villain of the piece. You can find more on her blog or search the forum here.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	The National Geographic publicized the idea that the Gospel of Judas featured Judas as a hero. DeConick feels that there was a critical mistranslation of a key word, and Judas is still the villain of the piece. You can find more on her blog or search the forum here.

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