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Old 06-07-2004, 06:18 PM   #281
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So you believe both that god is omnipotent/omniscient and that he can think of only one option?
No, I think that is the only option sufficient enough.
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:20 PM   #282
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How does it make sense to require perfection of humans, if that what's you're saying?

And what does any of this have to do with being "realistic"?
God doesn't require perfection. God doesn't expect any human to be perfect and meet His standards. He knows full well that you can't. All He looks for is the desire to change, and the first step towards that is accepting Christ as your Savior.
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:29 PM   #283
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How do you know there is no god? Are you basing this on scientific fact, or your own unsupportable opinion?
Since there is no evidence that we can use to determine his existence that we could use to prove other things, such as the existence of historical figures (e.g. documents outside the books of the bible), etc. etc.

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He looks for is the desire to change, and the first step towards that is accepting Christ as your Savior.
It's also the only step if you want to go to heaven. The rest is not really needed.
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:29 PM   #284
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There's chastising the child, and then there's abandoning the child. According to you, God does the latter to non-believers after they die.
Thats because they remain in sin. If a parent's child goes out and murders someone, is it more loving to hide them in the closet, or are you obligated to turn them in to the authorities, no matter how much you care about them?
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Old 06-07-2004, 06:34 PM   #285
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You missed Morally Perfect, or Infinitely Maximal which some (myself) would say includes Morally Perfect. He's perfect Goodness. Justice is a necessary characteristic of Goodness.

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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"


Can God be "perfect goodness" but still create evil?
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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"


Can God be "perfect goodness" but still create evil?
The word evil means a lot of things, not just moral evil. If you would read a lexicon, this passage is referring to calamity, not moral evil. God doesn't create moral evil. God can however create calamity, for example the plagues of Egypt. He can still be perfectly good.
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The word evil means a lot of things, not just moral evil. If you would read a lexicon, this passage is referring to calamity, not moral evil. God doesn't create moral evil. God can however create calamity, for example the plagues of Egypt. He can still be perfectly good.
Of course, it is all part of being a toady to god.

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(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
bad translation: it's not "create evil", it's "create woe". granted, if you're being the one woe-ed it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference...
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bad translation: granted, if you're being the one woe-ed it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference...
That's right, it doesn't.
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The word evil means a lot of things, not just moral evil. If you would read a lexicon, this passage is referring to calamity, not moral evil. God doesn't create moral evil. God can however create calamity, for example the plagues of Egypt. He can still be perfectly good.

Isn't that called rationalising?
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