steve_bnk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

Too much to pull anything out.

It seems like a mess to the point where Jewish biologically in modern humans does not seem to mean much.

You might be able to make a case the Palestinians are Jewish relatives.

Jewish going back in time seems to mean more like the American European blend ruining from Italy to North Europe.

Duvduv

Now we must ask what archeological evidence there is that the Israelites originated in Canaan if not outof Egypt.....there is none.

outhouse

The archeological evidence shows that Israelites factually evolved from Canaanites after 1200 BC, and there is ZERO evidence that there was ever a Exodus of any kind.

The evidence shows after 1200 BC that the previous Canaanite pottery is identical to that of the slow migration of people that filled the highlands after 1200 BC to 1000 BC during this 200 year period.

It is at this time around 1000 BC that the first writing comes from a culture that started to identify itself differently from Canaanites and had developed its own primitive writing and started to carry its own cultural differences.

This is backed by Dever and Finklestein and others making it factual and not up for debate.

Your just wrong.

outhouse

Exactly.


There are genetic markers from all over the levant within what would be Jewish people.

WE go back in time to when two large civilizations ruled the whole area thousands of years before Israelites even evolved. Egypt and Mesopotamian
cultures had fallen apart after roughly 3 thousand years of rule. Possibly due to environmental factors [drought] at about the time the Israelites formed we see many of these larger civilizations crumbling and going through major changes.

Duvduv

Does your belief system preclude you from reading my postings on the thread about the Exodus? I am an Orthodox Jew, but I read postings from secularists, Christians, Muslims and Buddhists.

In any event, what your propose is HYPOTHESES based on a limited amount of information and subsequent INTERPRETATION (Ebla not included). And I guess you too are unable to determine what degree of evidence from archaeology given the resources and technology is definitive that Israelites evolved in Canaan and not from Egypt.
For more information about biases, interpretations and values I direct you to the writings of Max Weber.

outhouse

Im sorry it is factual, and im sorry your faith doesn't let you face the archeology done to date.

outhouse

This touches on devers take of Finklesteins views


http://www.tms.edu/JournalBookReview.aspx?ID=341

Dever summarizes the manner in which various scholars have sought to synthesize the textual and artifactual evidence dealing with Israel. Chapter eight treats those syntheses that were offered up through the mid-1990s. Chapter nine devotes attention to Israel Finkelstein’s proposal that the Israelites were really Canaanite nomads who were gradually “resedentarized” throughout the Late Bronze Age. These individuals had been displaced by various destructions at the end of the Middle Bronze Age and had remained nomadic through most of the Late Bronze Age

Duvduv

You have a conceptual error. Whatever "evidence" you think there is is very limited and relies on human interpretation and biases. You know perfectly well what the actual limitations of archaeology are. Finding out about the origin of the Israelites is not like discovering the clay soldiers in China on which archaeology does a good job.

steve_bnk

I am German, Irish, English, and Welsh with one distant Native American.

It would seem an Israeli imagining them self as an inheritor of a biblical mythical tribe carrying around The Ark is like my imagining I am a descendent of Native American chiefs and warriors. A pleasant fantasy.

The idea of modern Israel by historical right is rather thin. The idea that people who identify today as Jewish decedents of a special chosen people is thin as well.

Genetics blows all of that out of the water.

outhouse

Post like this that throw away archeological findings are exactly why I appeal to authority.

Israelites factually formed after 1200 BC from displaced Canaanites and there is evidence that makes this factual.

Before 1200 BC we only had a nomdic people that were proto Israelites as noted by the Merneptah Stele.

WE factually see the highlands grow from 1200 BC with just a few houses to 1000 BC with many houses with a gradual increase in population size of the first inhabitants of the highlands of Israel.

There is no room for bias or misinterpretation of data. And you sir cannot show it.


There is only bias with those projecting faith and 100% complete lack of any archeological evidence when it comes to a literary created exodus in mythology.