Horatio Parker

Are we mixing apples and oranges? Or projecting later beliefs onto Mark?

Is the Davidic Messiah or the Christ the same thing ie an incarnation of God himself? Perhaps Jesus in Mark is an kind of elevated or promoted human between God and man, but not on par with God himself.

aa5874

There is NO need to guess. gMark's Jesus DEFIED the Laws of Gravity, Buoyancy, and the Biology of the Human Anatomy when it was claimed Jesus WALKED on water, Transfigured and Resurrected.

Now, in Hebrew Scripture it is also claimed the God of the Jews Walks on the WAVES.

NIV Job 9 gMark's Jesus ACTED like the God of the Jews. He Calmed the waves like God in Hebrew Scripture.

KJV Psalm 107:29 Sinaiticus Mark 4 It is CLEAR that gMark's Jesus was of God--NOT of man.

Horatio Parker

So anyone who calms a storm or walks on water is God. Right?

aa5874

So anyone who claims someone walked on water and calmed a storm in Galilee is talking about a human being. Right???

gMark is history. Right??

Horatio Parker

Anyone, I don't know, but Mark, possibly. Mark re-invented or repurposed Son of Man, why could he not create a character, a saint, but human, who could do all the Jesus tricks. IOW where is it said specifically in Mark that Jesus is God? (I'm considering 1:1 an interpolation)

I consider it unlikely that there is any history in Mark.

Duvduv

In the Jewish terms of GMark the Christ is the Son of Man, and Elijah has already come (without naming him). Although this Jesus appears to be a holy man miracle worker, the use of the word Christ brings him to the status of the Jewish Messiah, although as I have mentioned before, the gospel never invokes those important verses about the Davidic messiah.
So either GMark considers his Christ to be the Davidic messiah or someone else........

aa5874

Well, I am consider that gMark's Jesus had NO real existence. I also consider it unlikely that gMark is history because everything his character did is total fiction or implausible.

The author of gMark clearly used Hebrew Scripture for the ACTS of his Jesus so it appears that WITHOUT Hebrew Scripture there would be NO Jesus character in gMark.

Even a mere donkey ride by Jesus in gMark was prophesied in Hebrew Scripture--Zechariah 9.9.

gMark's Jesus was recognized as a Son of God and Acted non-human.

Sinaiticus gMark 5

Diogenes the Cynic

Mark's Jesus is a Davidic Messiah, but not God. Mark's Gospel takes an adoptionist view of Jesus as basically being possessed by the Holy Spirit at his baptism, doing his healings/exorcisms "in the power of the spirit," then having the spirit leave him on the cross.

In Mark, Jesus' Messianic identity is a secret to the Jews and even his own followers. The only characters who recognize his identity are demons and Gentiles. Even his own mother thinks he's crazy. His disciples never know about the empty tomb because Mark says the women ran away, too afraid to say anything.

To Mark, John was Elijiah and Jesus the Messiah. Mark either repurposes or simply misunderstands the phrase "son of man" to be a Messianic title, but Mark portrays this identity as not being known or understood by those closest to him.

Politically, Mark is trying to explain (in my opinion) why Jesus was not recognized or identified as the Messiah by the Jerusalem sect (or arguably within his own lifetime if he existed). Christologically, I think Mark was looking at Daniel 7:13, and trying to interpret Jesus (and the phrase "son of man") in that light. Elijah came secretly as JBap, then Jesus came incognito as the Christ and would return in glory as the "son of man."

DCHindley

Nothing about the recovery of rocky material from the moon invalidates the well attested expectation that the moon is made of green cheese.

DCH

Duvduv

Why is the Daniel Son of Man motif more important for the author of GMark than all the verses pertaining to the davidic messiah in the prophets?