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ApostateAbe · 08-07-2011, 10:38 PM

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Price has stated that all ideas deserve consideration, even if the person who made them is otherwise not credible.

Yeah, I know. As long as there are a few ideas he likes, then it is all good.

aa5874 · 08-07-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Price has stated that all ideas deserve consideration, even if the person who made them is otherwise not credible.

When did Price make such a statement?

Please show the actual statement from Price.

aupmanyav · 08-09-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Price has stated that all ideas deserve consideration, even if the person who made them is otherwise not credible.

I tend to think the other way. If the person is not credible, then all his/her ideas deserve to be doubted and condemned.

ApostateAbe · 08-09-2011, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Price has stated that all ideas deserve consideration, even if the person who made them is otherwise not credible.

I tend to think the other way. If the person is not credible, then all his/her ideas deserve to be doubted and condemned.

In the debate over the historical Jesus, all of even the most obvious facts are on the table to be doubted, and that is something any participant of the debate needs to adapt to, not simply trust any single author. The bad ideas would be the relevant points of discussion, not the person, and the thing that pisses me off would be that Robert Price, as a knowledgeable scholar trusted by many, would promote a book to the public while fully realizing that it is almost completely filled with piss-poor arguments, conspiracy theories and false claims, just because there are a few unspecified agreeable ideas that the author dredged up from the gutters of century-old polemical writings.

GakuseiDon · 08-09-2011, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

The bad ideas would be the relevant points of discussion, not the person, and the thing that pisses me off would be that Robert Price, as a knowledgeable scholar trusted by many, would promote a book to the public while fully realizing that it is almost completely filled with piss-poor arguments, conspiracy theories and false claims, just because there are a few unspecified agreeable ideas that the author dredged up from the gutters of century-old polemical writings.

It's not just Dr Price though. Doherty gives Acharya S's "The Christ Conspiracy" five stars out of five in his review on Amazon (or via: amazon.co.uk)

And according to Acharya S's website, even R Joseph Hoffman wrote to Acharya S (upon advice from Dr Price) to participate in the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, which would have been interesting, From here:
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/...hp?f=19&t=3629

Dear Acharya S:

My friend Bob Price has suggested I contact you with respect to our work on the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, a part of the Center for Inquiry and the Council for Secular Humanism in Buffalo... I would be grateful if you would let me know whether you would be able to participate in this conference as soon as possible. Expenses for invited speakers will be paid by CFI...

R. Joseph Hoffmann
2005

aupmanyav · 08-09-2011, 08:18 AM

I will also doubt all those people who associate with a person who is not credible.

GakuseiDon · 08-09-2011, 03:01 PM

I think you've just eliminated the world, since "credible" tends to be subjective.

aa5874 · 08-09-2011, 05:42 PM

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I think you've just eliminated the world, since "credible" tends to be subjective.

No, no, no. We have just ELIMINATED the events and the Jesus character that we KNOW are NOT credible.

Why do we have to eliminate the world because the authors of Gospels depicted Jesus as a Space Alien or because Pygmies Believe in Virgin Births of Myth characters?

There was ABSOLUTELY no need to eliminate the world because the story of Marcion's Phantom was NOT credible.

There was NO need to eliminate the world because the Myth Gods and fables of the Greeks/Romans were NOT credible.

It is NOT the world that is eliminated but the SOURCE that is NOT credible.

Virtually all Scholars admit that the Gospels are NOT historically credible so YOU CAN ELIMINATE them from the world.

Please leave the world and eliminate the incredible Jesus story.

It is NOT unusual for people to believe Space Aliens exist. After all billions of Christians BELIEVE Jesus LIVES in an Heavenly Space right now.

Lu 24:51 -

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And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

Jesus in the NT was a UFO.

ApostateAbe · 08-09-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

The bad ideas would be the relevant points of discussion, not the person, and the thing that pisses me off would be that Robert Price, as a knowledgeable scholar trusted by many, would promote a book to the public while fully realizing that it is almost completely filled with piss-poor arguments, conspiracy theories and false claims, just because there are a few unspecified agreeable ideas that the author dredged up from the gutters of century-old polemical writings.

It's not just Dr Price though. Doherty gives Acharya S's "The Christ Conspiracy" five stars out of five in his review on Amazon (or via: amazon.co.uk)

And according to Acharya S's website, even R Joseph Hoffman wrote to Acharya S (upon advice from Dr Price) to participate in the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, which would have been interesting, From here:
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/...hp?f=19&t=3629

Dear Acharya S:

My friend Bob Price has suggested I contact you with respect to our work on the Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, a part of the Center for Inquiry and the Council for Secular Humanism in Buffalo... I would be grateful if you would let me know whether you would be able to participate in this conference as soon as possible. Expenses for invited speakers will be paid by CFI...

R. Joseph Hoffmann
2005

I knew that about Earl Doherty--Dave31 bragged that point in the original post, which is part of the reason why I think Earl Doherty is not just wrong but also [censored]. It is a revealing phenomenon. The better-thinking Jesus-minimalists in this forum tend to distance themselves from Acharya S and her writings. But, the leading authors of Jesus-minimalism cozy up with her. They promote her books, give her books positive reviews, invite her on their podcasts, and are glad to have her as a member of the club.

An important exception to this pattern is Richard Carrier. He has told the truth about the writings of Acharya S, and, unlike Robert Price, he has not reversed himself. He deserves props for that. I hope the politics of that move pay off for him.

aa5874 · 08-09-2011, 06:56 PM

This thread is about Space Aliens. Jesus of the NT was a SPACE ALIEN, a UFO.

Examine the words of Jesus in gMark before he was crucified.

Mark 13.

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.....Then shall they see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS....

Mark 14.62

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....Ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on right hand of power and coming in the CLOUDS of Heaven...

And now listen to the UFO called Jesus who will come in CLOUDS. In the NT, Jesus claimed he was from ABOVE.

John 8

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....And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath, I AM from ABOVE, Ye are of this world, I am NOT of this world...

Jesus was a UFO in the NT.

It is DOCUMENTED in the NT. Jesus was a SPACE ALIEN from ABOVE.

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