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Old 02-04-2005, 10:19 AM   #91
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Actually the quotes I saw, indicate they give credit for eastern thinkers coming up with similar ideas.

Your contention was they got the ideas from the eastern thinkers, then used them to develop their own theories.

Two different things.

Clarity, please.
No I quite clearly stated that many were sanskrit scholars and were quite well versed with eastern philosophy...

er, READ PLEASE...
I did. You were responding to the incredulity of posters over you stating that the above scholars and scientists had gotten their information and built upon them to produce such works as the Theory of Relativity and Evolution.

The implication is that your intent was to show exactly what I was questioning.
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:30 AM   #92
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I knew what you meant.

They are both methods of knowing, but knowing in two completely different spheres. Yoga/Meditation teaches you about you, about what exists between your ears. Science specifically excludes itself from that which cannot be compared between two people of differing views. i.e. the objective.

When you start trying to criticize science for not determinining what Yoga has, you get absurd criticizms, just as it would be foolish to critisize Yoga/meditation for not determining the precise mass of Cygnus x39.

Perhaps they can help each other, but to use one to criticize the other is foolish and dualistic.
You start with the basic assumption that the thing between my ears is different from what is outside...that external reality is different from internal reality...that external atoms, are different from internal atoms...all meditative sciences (by science I mean the basic definition of knowledge not modern science) are based on the basic assumption that all of reality is made up of the same basic building blocks, ...and thus what I observe on the inside, is the same as what is outside...

thus, correct science is not more objective than correct religion...religion is from the root that means "to bind"...implying discipline...science inherently can't be a cult because it implies a reasoned DISCIPLINE and religion can't inherently "start out as a cult" since it's inherent meaning is DISCIPLINE.
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Old 02-04-2005, 10:35 AM   #93
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and no we are not arguing apples and oranges...science is a way of knowing, so is Yoga...these are two distinct ways of knowing, both can help each other, but ultimately I simply stated Yoga is better. And by yoga, I don't mean the twisted pretzel kind, I mean the meditative techniques...
OK, do you imagine that a cure for AIDS or a workable theory of cold fusion is located in the depths of your navel?

I find that suggestion rather unlikely, but please feel free to prove me wrong.

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OK, do you imagine that a cure for AIDS or a workable theory of cold fusion is located in the depths of your navel?

I find that suggestion rather unlikely, but please feel free to prove me wrong.

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better question, do you think a cure for AIDS is dependant on INTELLIGENT human scientists who er, might get some ORIGINAL idea for a serious breakthrough, use science as a tool?...Yoga is partly the study of the realm of human ideas and the perfection of the mind itself so that it can be a receptacle for such ideas...
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OK, do you imagine that a cure for AIDS or a workable theory of cold fusion is located in the depths of your navel?

I find that suggestion rather unlikely, but please feel free to prove me wrong.

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oh, and someone mentioned that "science cured small pox"... in fact, the Indian priests (who practice yoga) and Chinese (who practice meditation) had smallpox innoculation mentioned in their books long before western Science..maybe if scientists meditate more, they'll get the answer to AIDS...?

http://topicguide.com/Smallpox.html perhaps the secret of curing diseases just might come from the navel...
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Looks like someone likes to listen to Deepak Chopra and What the #$*! Do We Know instead of Victor Stenger.
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oh, and someone mentioned that "science cured small pox"... in fact, the Indian priests (who practice yoga) and Chinese (who practice meditation) had smallpox innoculation mentioned in their books long before western Science..maybe if scientists meditate more, they'll get the answer to AIDS...?

http://topicguide.com/Smallpox.html perhaps the secret of curing diseases just might come from the navel...
Nothing in this article makes any mention of meditation being used to discover the technique of vaccination.
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And, yes I have cured my colds, most people who practice their "religion" correctly don't get colds...:rolling:
I haven't suffered from a cold or the flu since I became an atheist. Guess I must be "practicing" my atheism properly, eh?


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I haven't suffered from a cold or the flu since I became an atheist. Guess I must be "practicing" my atheism properly, eh?


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if you were practicing your "atheism" correctly than you would also know WHY you don't get a cold, while many other atheists do...
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yes a "group of unthinking people" who can be led into anything which ends up as fads and maybe even dangerous movements...Nazis, monotheistic fanaticism, communism, Hindu fanaticism, fanaticism in general....one might describe these very non-religious political movements too as "cultic" or cultlike...Nazi stuff was based on purely genetic science on the superiority or inferiority of some strange concept called "race", which was considered "scientific"...so science does and can spawn a poltical cult or even social movements and fads...
There, I corrected it for you.

I just love how you point out that monotheistic fanaticism is cult-like; but didn't do the same for Hindu fanaticism, or even polytheistic fanaticism in general.

And no, there is nothing scientific about Buddhism, Hinduism, or Jainism. They're just as absurd and useless as any other religion.
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