Sean McHugh

Hi Nightshade,

Thanks. It was meant for here. That's the trouble with posting after midnight.

:banghead:

Apologies for the inconvenience.


Yours sincerely,


Sean McHugh

Fallon

Vinnie's latest post is quite nice -- short, to the point -- and I was especially happy to see him throw down the gauntlet (to borrow from Roy and HG) to RobertLW on demonstrating inerrancy. Sadly I can only see a few possible outcomes of this.

1. RobertLW will retreat to the position that he only has to defend inerrancy, not demonstrate it.
2. He will return to his attempts to shift the burdon of proof.
3. He will resort to a species of circular argument.
4. He will (attempt to) demonstrate inerrancy. (!)

Obviously 1 and 2 (with a sprinkling of 3) are the most likely. At this point I consider 4 unlikely, but RobertLW may as well stop dancing in quicksand and go down fighting. The way I see it, he's going to be sucked down anyway, so he may as well give it one last shot. He might even manage to save this debate from mediocrity (though Vinnie has done a nice job, considering).


Fallon

Silent Dave

RobertLW has posted his latest statement, and in doing so he has announced his intention to withdraw from the debate. Thus, Vinnie will be allowed to post a concluding statement, after which the debate thread will be closed.


Dave

Sven

Looks like Fallon forgot a fifth possibility

I think most here will agree that this is the best outcome the debate could have. An important lesson which can be drawn from it is that one should perhaps not debate someone whose style of argumention/arguments one is not familar with. A little bit more discussion for the start of the debate would have been helpful to get a much more interesting debate.

But perhaps this topic simply is not worth debating

Vinnie

Since I just hit "submit" on my latest response I guess I can post in here now. As long as its allowed through I guess the debate is over. My final installment was a little high on the "rhetorical jousting" at times but granted nothing of substance to respond to, what else could I do?

I don't really see a need to add anything to this thread that hasn't been addressed by someone else already. If I missed something let me know. If someone new chimes in I'll be lurking.

I think this experience might discourage me from engaging in future formal debates with unknown people or people in general. This was pitiful.

Vinnie

Vinnie

I only listed three myself at the end of the debate:

I find it amazing how many points I made that he actually ignored. Almsot everything I wrote was skewed or ignored :banghead:

This sums it up for me:

""Boohoo, I can't refute it. Boohoo. You cheated. Sniffle. Wine. Sniffle."

Vinnie

Sven

I vote for (2)! Anything else would be just too improbable.

Nice Job, Vinnie! You never had any tough points to answer, but presented your points quite coherent. At least for most people...

Vinnie

There are no tough points to answer when arguing against verbal plenary inspiration. I should have let that fact restrict me from ever entering this debate to begin with. I have only myself to blame.

At least I got my "surface anomaly" argument drafted up in a more lengthy and thorough manner. I had a similar argument online with this same issue but this one updates it extensively.

I also have some material up on Judas Death and the food laws and the lack of a canonical dimension which could all easily be adapted into four separate articles for my site. So all is not lost and I have a reformulation of the tenth plague which cuts past "you don't posess an objective standard."

Vinnie

Wiploc

I've had bad luck doing that with my last couple of debates too.

crc

Vinnie

Apparently my concluding statement was too high on the polemic and rhetorical jousting to be posted :notworthy

I kind of thought it might be but I will not rewrite it. Ths debate was too much of a comic nightmare to waste any further time on cumbersome pleasantries.

I'll put my original submitted reply on the net tonight after work. If anyone wants to read my concluding piece they can do it then

Vinnie

P.S. I feel your pain wiploc