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Old 07-03-2005, 10:05 AM   #81
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Funny how the "axle" and some of the other "wheels" are all encrusted with corral and then---Look! Why... there is this stunningly clean and shiny wheel! Glory to God!
Sorry fellow, you are in no position to be judging why other wheels are encrusted and the gold-gilded one is not. This gold-gilded wheel was most likely used by the priesthood (in the reer). Coral does not grow on gold, and it's a miracle that just one of these such chariots left some remains that we were able to actually see. The rest of the chariot wheels were wooden (mixed with metal), and coral bores itself into the pores of wood, and eats it away. The gold-gilded wheel however--all you see is the shell. All the wood inside of it was eaten away. The shell is so fragile that it was impossible to remove it without breaking it. The current and the turbulents out in this water are terrible, and it would take some of the most sophisticated equipment to cut into the sand and raise this wheel in tact. The current shifts the sands to and fro, and sometimes the wheels cannot be seen.

If Ron Wyatt was a true fraud, he would have planted a wheel that looks IDENTICAL to the inscriptions found in Cairo. Not so...the fact that it has some unique features only proves that this is a wheel to be added to the list...it is very similar to Hoffmier's depictions.

It's all authentic guys...nothing fraud here. Start shutting up and facing it. You will never find a shred of evidence that proves Ron Wyatt a fraud once and for all.
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I have no idea if Ron Wyatt is a fraud. I do know that whatever he has found - assuming he has found anything at all - is not Noah's ark for the simple reason that there was no Noah and there was no Ark. It was a moral tale invented for our own purposes - never in a million years did we imagine a bunch of Gullible Goy woudl take the fables literally 2500 years down the line.
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[Alleged blood of Jesus] was said to have had 24 chromosomes...That claim alone speaks volumes about Wyatt.
Says a lot about Jesus, too: 24 chromosones is most commonly identified with Down Syndrome.
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This can be even more strongly stated, as there were no functional chariot wheels anywhere(even outside Egypt or at differnet times) crafted completely from metal, that is, for the spokes, hub, outer wheel(fellies) and tire.
I am surprised no literalist offered you the rebuttal of Joshua 17:16 , or the even more famous Judges 1:19.

BTW, were any of these godproof chariots found?
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Here's the pic:

I bought this self-same postcard in Hiroshima.

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The shell is so fragile that it was impossible to remove it without breaking it. The current and the turbulents out in this water are terrible, and it would take some of the most sophisticated equipment to cut into the sand and raise this wheel in tact. The current shifts the sands to and fro, and sometimes the wheels cannot be seen.
How terribly convenient for you. Couldn't you have used the turbulence window you needed to take an unobscured photo to lift it? Although I can imagine you not being able to obtain the necessary permits to import the high-tech bucket and spade needed to shift sand, it puzzles me how you were able to carry out the necessary spectrographic examination to determine it was gold underwater, or the core samples necessary to determine it was an empty shell. Just provide us with the encrusted gilt. We're quite capable of determining where it came from thank you.

I know absolutely nothing about Ron Wyatt, so here's my predictions which I make with 100% confidence. Feel happy to tell me where I'm wrong.

I bet his lifestyle was funded almost entirely from donations from gullible idiots in the face of zero tangible evidence of his successes other then his say-so.

Here's another one. Look up the FBI profile of con men who dupe the life savings out of gullible incompetents and it will match Wyatt's modus operandi exactly.

Here's another one. Reread any pronouncements by Wyatt and see how many of his "shortly" - "soon" - or - "by next year" promises relating to amazing discoveries came true. There wont be any.

Here's another one. He made dozens of such pronouncements over a number of years.

Here's another one. Any supposed tangible artefacts are either lost in transit, impounded by authorities, or in safekeeping awaiting the right moment.

Here's another one. Impartial third parties invoked in support of any claims will have a substantially different version of events, (including but not limited to "Who's Ron Wyatt?").

Here's another one. Read your fictional book and find out where the fictional exodus of the fictional people took place. It won't be anywhere near the fictional chariot wheel.

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or in safekeeping awaiting the right moment.
This is precisely it. For example, The Ark of the Covenant digs are all legal, and the Wyatt Archaeological Research team, today, ever since Ron Wyatt, have worked closely with the IAA (Israel Antiquity Authorities). They have all the official permits. They knew Ron Wyatt very closely, and talked to him often. But guess what? When you look at the records from the IAA of all the archaeological excavations that have ever taken place in Jerusalem, Ron Wyatt isn't mentioned in the list of digs! They know something is down there, and it's very very deep. For now, they wish for it to remain confidential due to the tention between Palistinians and Jews. We hope to one day detect the chamber Ron Wyatt entered where the Ark resides. A massive trip is coming up this August for WAR, with some of the latest state-of-the-art equipment. The radar will follow or pull in the direction toward the crack in the cross-hole, where underneath the cross-hole we believe resides the Mercy Seat 20 some feet below. The actual tunnel at the Garden Tomb has been closed off by the Israeli Antiquities Authorities, and Ron Wyatt and now WAR believe that the only way to access it in order for the world to see is through the original Zedekiah's Cave entrance. The time is coming, but the time is not yet ripe.

And I don't care what hoo-cha-cha anyone has to say about his claims about the blood on the Mercy Seat. The important thing is, "is the Ark down there"? If it is, then don't later go sticking your tail between your legs. The only important things are these: Was Ron Wyatt right that the Ark is down through Zedekiah's Cave? Did he find Noah's Ark? Did he find the correct crossing site? Did he locate the true Mount Sinai? Was he right that the ancient cities of the plain surrounded the Dead Sea, and that the ashen remains literred with Sulpher are the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah (Bible says the cities turned to "Pure Ash!").

Traditional scientists naturally will not latch on to this stuff, and that is expected. But that's their problem. They're not going to accept it even if an angel came down from heaven and told them so. They're minds are already set. They don't have to believe any of it if they don't want. But true Bible believers KNOW what it is.

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Here's another one. Read your fictional book and find out where the fictional exodus of the fictional people took place. It won't be anywhere near the fictional chariot wheel.
The traditional view of the crossing is, for lack of better words, wrong. The Bible states they journeyed through "The Wilderness of the Red Sea"--what we today call the "Sinai Peninsula". There is no such thing as "entangled in the land" at Lake Timsah, or any of the Northern Delta Lakes. There was no logical reason for the Israelites to head south from Goshen straight deeper into Egypt, and then cross the Gulf of Suez! There is no archaeological evidence to support this either. But if you look in the right place, YOU WILL FIND EVIDENCE! Hmmm...we have identified about 20 or so chariot objects on the underwater landbridge across Nuweiba Beach! Vivika Ponten found a chariot wheel on the Saudi Coast! There is absolutely NO WAY by chance that these wheels could have gotten their randomly scattered across the entire Gulf of Aqaba.

Ron Wyatt theorized that the Gulf of Aqaba was the CORRECT crossing site BEFORE he even went diving in it and discovered all those chariot parts and human and horse remains. Numerous of other witnesses have seen these remains. It's a no-brainer. I have met people who have seen them.

Josephus says that a ridge of mountains obstructed the Israelite's flight on either ends of the beach. Well, Nuweiba Beach is the ONLY beach in these regions that even remotely resembles these descriptions. And here's the punchline: Galations 4:25 says: "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."

Therefore, the body of water that the Israelites crossed HAD to be the Gulf of Aqaba. It is the most logical. It is the body of water that separates ancient Egypt (Sinai Peninsula) from Saudi Arabia.

Additionally, several verses make it very clear that the Israelites were OUT of Egypt BEFORE they crossed the Red Sea (Egypt meaning "Egypt proper", not territorial control). If you place the Israelites on the west side of Suez or any of its northern lakes, you are STILL IN EGYPT! All ancient records testify that border of Egypt Proper lie where the canal is today. There are volume fulls of info that I could provide, but unfortunately I have limited time. I strongly suggest you do your own research, and NOT just read all the garbage that's thrown at you on the web. Read books that have valuable data with excellent sources...

A couple books I recommend reading:

"The Exodus Case" by Dr. Lennart Moller www.exoduscase.com (also watch the video clips with the new series coming out)

"The Boat-Shaped Object on Doomsday Mountain" by Mary Nell Wyatt (this book fills you in on the never-before released material confirming the radar scans and the authentic labratory tests confirming man-made matererials). www.wyattmuseum.com The book is right there on the front page.

It is interesting to note that we get metal-hot spot readings on approximately some 5400 regular intervals throughout the "boat-shape", but no metal readings anywhere outside of the structure. Ancient Babylonian Records and Assyrian Records testify to the Ark of Noah, and that it was "impaled on a rock". We find this boat-formation in the exact location where the ancient clues point us to. We also find it "impaled on a rock", PLUS, the metal lines that were read by the metal detectors are actually "bent" and "irregular"--exactly as would be expected by the "impaling" force against the rock as the boat slid down the mountain from the alluvial mud flow.
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It is interesting to note that we get metal-hot spot readings on approximately some 5400 regular intervals throughout the "boat-shape"...
It is indeed - as there is not one mention of metal in the ark-related texts.
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The Bible states they journeyed through "The Wilderness of the Red Sea"...
Well, no, it doesn't, it states they went "by way of the wilderness at the Sea of Reeds". Even that is too literal: more accurately, it references "The Sea At The End of the World" - a clearly mythological place well in keeping with a mythological story.
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