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Old 03-23-2004, 06:48 PM   #41
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Actually, if heroin were legal, it would be almost as safe as pot.

The overwhelming majority of heroin deaths are due to unknown ratios in the cutting of the drugs. Users don't know how much they're getting in one shot, so they end up getting surprised and overdosing.

Heroin when done safely and in consistent dosage isn't more dangerous than caffeine. Aside from the addiction aspect, of course.

And this is why heroin needs to be legalized and regulated in Canada (NOT just decriminalized), we're at the end of our rope here in Vancouver with a real world-class heroin problem.

Pulling the rug out from under the criminals and putting it into the hands of the government would save countless lives.

I could address your apparent ignorance regarding pot more specifically, but it sounds like you just generally need to educate yourself a bit on the subject.
I am not ingorant when it comes to pot. Pot is no more safe than heroin. You can die from pot like you can die from heroin. Also the rampent heroin use in Vancover is caused by the injection clinics. Stop the injection clinics and the heroin problem will go away.
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I have to say it is a myth that pot is safe. Pot is no more safe than Heroin. Mark my word in a few years Heroin will be legal all over Canada. They already started with the injection clinics.
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Canada recognizes that prohibition does not work. The fact that the US has a higher percentage of inmates than the old Soviet Union and South Africa is proof enough. Prohibition has had 80 years to show it's not the answer.

I don’t remember saying it was safe though.

We are simply moving responsibility for this issue from the Justice Minister to the Heath Minister. We would rather deal with the facts and education rather than rhetoric and a criminal record. Pot will still be illegal in Canada for now.

Fear management does not work north of the 49th. The rate of pot use in Holland is half the rate in the US. Interesting that you and the criminal organizations are on the same side in this debate.

On the other side we have the Canadian Senate, who recommends legalization after a lengthy study.
Police Chiefs in Canada want it decriminalized.

You must remember that 12 US States have decriminalized simple possession.
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Fear management does not work north of the 49th. The rate of pot use in Holland is half the rate in the US. Interesting that you and the criminal organizations are on the same side in this debate.
Asia has a relativily low drug problem and when you look at Nations like Singapore and Tiawan who have drug usage percentage rates that are some of the lowest in the world, yet they have some of the most sever drug laws in the world. So sever drug laws do work as proof by Asia.
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Good luck, Qwiz. Don,t hold your breath (unless you just had a toke. ) Don't forget, politicians lie and the pressure is on from our kindly uncle to tje south. Most likely scenario : more stalling until after next Fed. election, then oblivion. Paul Martin is likely to kill it as it's a holdover from Chretian days (his old enemy) and because the US admin. has his "pecker in their pocket." (to paraphrase Lyndon Johnson).
Bright side: cops are already uninterested in enfocing simple possession unless you force them or they want you for something else. The paperwork is murder and there's no glory. Grow lots, and vote NDP.
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Asia has a relativily low drug problem and when you look at Nations like Singapore and Tiawan who have drug usage percentage rates that are some of the lowest in the world, yet they have some of the most sever drug laws in the world. So sever drug laws do work as proof by Asia.
Although Singapore does not hand out the death penalty randomly, Amnesty International states that Singapore has one of the world’s highest rates of execution relative to its population. Reuters journalist Amy Tan reported that the Singaporean government has hanged 340 people between 1991 and 2001. According to the Think Center, a Singaporean civil rights group, 70 percent of those executions were for drug offences. By comparison, Canada executed 710 people between 1867 and 1962 before the death penalty was abolished in 1976.

If found guilty of trafficking in a controlled drug, they could be sentenced to death if the cannabis, after chemical analysis, weighs more than 500g. If not, they can be jailed for up to 20 years and caned 15 strokes. Copyright @ 2004 Singapore Press Holdings. All rights reserved.

I say if that is what you want, then go for it. This is not about the US. We will deal with it our way thank you.
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Good luck, Qwiz.
Bright side: cops are already uninterested in enfocing simple possession unless you force them or they want you for something else. The paperwork is murder and there's no glory. Grow lots, and vote NDP.
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Yes, things are good this way. I have no fear of the cops, it's those darn deer that are the problem.

I think the cops might use the tickets as a cash grab.
Today they would just let me go.
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First pot next heroin. Just watch in a few years Canada will decriminalize heroin.
That does not follow, a classic logical fallacy example. Does smoking cigarettes lead to smoking pot?
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That does not follow, a classic logical fallacy example. Does smoking cigarettes lead to smoking pot?
That is different because sigs have always been legal and cigs are safer than pot and heroin, while pot is very dangerous like heroin.
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I have to say it is a myth that pot is safe. Pot is no more safe than Heroin. Mark my word in a few years Heroin will be legal all over Canada. They already started with the injection clinics.
Even if it were legal, that does not mean everybody is going to shot heroin. If pot is legal, so what, that is not going to make everybody want to smoke it. Nobody has ever died from smoking pot. What is so unsafe about it?
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Even if it were legal, that does not mean everybody is going to shot heroin. If pot is legal, so what, that is not going to make everybody want to smoke it. Nobody has ever died from smoking pot. What is so unsafe about it?

They are a danger to the people who do them and to the people around them. Pot makes you do crazy shit like leap out of building or drive your car 100 miles an hour in the word direction on a freeway.
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