Lucretius

Well obviously those "fundy YEC" Christians as Dave calls them were telling LIES then weren't they ?

Faid

Notice that dave writes "America", not "United States". :sneaky:

Dave, the history of your country is not my thing, so I will refrain from making comments on it (unlike you with the history of the UK). But I have to remind you that I've had the pleasure of watching these claims of yours get demolished way back at AtBC.

I wouldn't mind seeing it again, but please take this to a new thread in the proper place, and use your time here to respond to the questions you have waiting for you. Trying to derail the thread to avoid them is not something a good christian would do, imo.

Thanks in advance.

Pappy Jack

I for one am happy to take the argument that the decline of Britain results from its repudiation of Biblical values to whatever public forum Dave would like to pursue it on.....

Lucretius

I don't really mind all that much that this thread has been a little diverted ,in fact you can see I quite happily joined in the WW1 thing myself .
Just that I don't want Dave to be able to ignore some questions that he has remarkably avoided answering in the last dozen or so pages is all

Pappy Jack

Which is what Dave is expert at: pass some blatantly absurd throwaway remark that relates remotely to the subject at hand, thereby provoking responses that result either in unanswered points relevant to the topic being overwhelmed, or a new thread opening where Dave can pursue the matter briefly before the cycle repeats itself, or he decides that he has replied to all outstanding issues satisfactorily and can pursue his witnessing elsewhere (check out, for example, Did Pre-Flood Patriarchs Live ~1000 Years? here and YEC population projections and the Tower of Babel here for the last times Dave posted anything of relevance in these threads still awaiting his replies to unanswered questions). Methinks Dave doth spread himself too thinly sometimes.....

Constant Mews

And this of course, completely untrue. America was not founded by fundie YECs. Dave, I know you are utterly ignorant of history, but why do you continue to demonstrate this by making stupid remarks such as this one?

It certainly doesn't help your pathetic attempts at Witnessing to make blatantly false remarks that any ten year-old can show are not true.

And perhaps you should cease to acquire your 'knowledge' of history from fundie comic books.

windsofchange

Heh ... so you think Thomas Jefferson was a fundy YEC?

TomboyMom

Too bad that David Barton is a liar, and not an historian.

Occam's Aftershave

Actually this boner came from John Morris at ICR in an article called When Did the Mountains Rise? In it he gives these 'scientific' dates for mountains:

Mountain Chain/ Plateau/Rift Years Since Main Uplift

Europe

Swiss Alps <2 million
Apennines Mtns. 1-2 million
Pyrenees Mtns. 2-5 million
Baetic Cordillera 2-5 million
Carpathian Mtns. 2-5 million
Caucasus Mnts. <2 million
Ural Mtns. 1-2 million
Sudeten Mtns. 1-5 million

Asia

Tibetan Plateau <3.4 million
Himalaya Mtns. <3.4 million
Kunlun Mtns. <4 million
Tien Shan Mtns. <2 million
Shanxi Mtns. <3 million
Japanese Mtns. <5 million
Taiwan Mtns. <5 million

Only problem is, every last one of these dates is 100% complete and utter made-up bullshit

Take as an example the Ural mountains, which Morris lists as 1-2 million years old. From Wikipedia:

"The Urals are among the world's oldest extant mountain ranges. For its age of 250 to 300 million years, the mountains are yet unusually high. They were formed in the late Carboniferous period, when western Siberia collided with eastern Baltica (~connected to Laurentia (North America) to form the minor supercontinent of Euramerica) and Kazakhstania to form the supercontinent of Laurasia. Later Laurasia and Gondwana collided to form the supercontinent of Pangaea. Europe and Siberia have remained joined together ever since.

Or how about the Pyranees? Morris says 2-5 MYO, mainstream geology says

"The Pyrenees are older than the Alps: their sediments were first deposited in coastal basins during the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras. Between 100 and 150 million years ago, during the Lower Cretaceous period, the Gulf of Gascony (Bay of Biscay) fanned out, pushing present-day Spain against France and putting large layers of sediment in a vise grip. The intense pressure and uplifting of the Earth's crust first affected the eastern part and stretched progressively to the entire chain, culminating in the Eocene epoch."

Dave is also totally wrong about his Grand Canyon dates. He is regurgitating more AIG claptrap that they got from this U. of Arizona study that talks about one particular slot canyon having its age revised downward from 3-5 MYO to as young as 700,000 years. AIG got the the 40 MYO number from a pamphlet used by the National Park Service that states

"The principal consensus among geologists is that the Colorado River basin has developed in the past 40 million years and that the Grand Canyon itself is probably less than five to six million years old. The result of all this erosion is one of the most complete geologic columns on the planet. The major geologic exposures in Grand Canyon range in age from the 1.7 billion year old Vishnu Schist at the bottom of the Inner Gorge to the 270 million year old Kaibab Limestone on the Rim."

AIG then combined these two stories and the dates, and made one big stinking lie.

The Creationist leaders shovel this shit by the bucketload, and AFDave swallows every drop. Dave is too stupid or too lazy to bother checking his facts, even when he is shown these type of lies again and again and again.

TomboyMom

I vote for a new thread on afdave's ridiculous assertion that the U.S. was founded on Christian principles to advance a Christian agenda.