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Old 08-03-2004, 03:50 AM   #1
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Default Any ex_Muslims in here?

Are there any ex muslims in here? if yes, I would like to read your story.

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Dear queser, you can read ex-muslim stories

HERE

as well as

HERE

I -as you already know- am an ex-muslim myself but I have not written my story yet.

Perhaps you just want to know, how people turn away from the religion in which they were born. The best place for that is http://www.secularislam.org or http://www.faithfreedom.org where people are sharing their stories with others. I actually discourage people from talking too much because that way others could find out who they are and they could end up in danger of losing their lives.

In simple when a muslim is living in his own place within his own community there is little chance of him coming into contact with others. Life is a routine for a person. However, some times in life some people are forced to interact with others who hold different beliefs to themselves- due to their circumstances which displace them from their normal life routine they had been living up till that stage. As people encounter each other and questions arise about each others beliefs, some times people begin to see lacks in their own belief systems. Their first reaction is to find out more about their own belief system to prove to themselves that they are not and never have been wrong. However, as questions keep on arising and the answer one looks for do not show up, gradually believers become agitated and disturbed for being wrong and it is very hard to accept this reality. However, one has to learn to live without religion before one could completely let it go. So to be an ex-muslim is no fun at all but one has to suffer for quite some time. It is the moning period for loss of faith or base on one hand and on the other one has to remain hidden so that others do not become aware of one's apostasy or one may lose even one's life as well. This forces such people to live a double face life out of necessity. They show people around them ie family and friends that they are muslims but that too is very upsetting for them. It is not a very nice state of affairs to be in this situation.

This is the main reason they are making too much noise to be heard by other human beings so that they may help them regain their lost freedom to be who they really are. Therefore Islam and Muslims are a huge problem for them as they see it. Standing to lose one's family and friends is no fun either.

More perhaps later.

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Dear queser, you can read ex-muslim stories

HERE

as well as

HERE

I -as you already know- am an ex-muslim myself but I have not written my story yet.

Perhaps you just want to know, how people turn away from the religion in which they were born. The best place for that is http://www.secularislam.org or http://www.faithfreedom.org where people are sharing their stories with others. I actually discourage people from talking too much because that way others could find out who they are and they could end up in danger of losing their lives.

In simple when a muslim is living in his own place within his own community there is little chance of him coming into contact with others. Life is a routine for a person. However, some times in life some people are forced to interact with others who hold different beliefs to themselves- due to their circumstances which displace them from their normal life routine they had been living up till that stage. As people encounter each other and questions arise about each others beliefs, some times people begin to see lacks in their own belief systems. Their first reaction is to find out more about their own belief system to prove to themselves that they are not and never have been wrong. However, as questions keep on arising and the answer one looks for do not show up, gradually believers become agitated and disturbed for being wrong and it is very hard to accept this reality. However, one has to learn to live without religion before one could completely let it go. So to be an ex-muslim is no fun at all but one has to suffer for quite some time. It is the moning period for loss of faith or base on one hand and on the other one has to remain hidden so that others do not become aware of one's apostasy or one may lose even one's life as well. This forces such people to live a double face life out of necessity. They show people around them ie family and friends that they are muslims but that too is very upsetting for them. It is not a very nice state of affairs to be in this situation.

This is the main reason they are making too much noise to be heard by other human beings so that they may help them regain their lost freedom to be who they really are. Therefore Islam and Muslims are a huge problem for them as they see it. Standing to lose one's family and friends is no fun either.

More perhaps later.

Regards and all the best.
Hey Mughal what's up. I wanted to ask you about apostates in Islamic countries. How many do you think there are? I know apostacy is punishable by death, but there must be some.

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An interesting book, Leaving Islam by Ibn Warraq.

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mughal give your story i am not interested in your links

here is your chance for me not to ignore you

as for those posting for others like warraq. i already know his story

this thread is for those who were personally muslims and then became ex muslim

ok hope that is clear
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mughal give your story i am not interested in your links

here is your chance for me not to ignore you

as for those posting for others like warraq. i already know his story

this thread is for those who were personally muslims and then became ex muslim

ok hope that is clear


Dear queser,

My question to you is, what do you really want to know from me? This way I can try and address your concerns rather than writing my autobiography.

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My question to you is, what do you really want to know from me? This way I can try and address your concerns rather than writing my autobiography.

regards and all the best.
start with answering the OP

we go from there
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start with answering the OP

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The only question in the OP -- "Are there any ex muslims in here?" -- has already been answered. Yes, there are.
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The only question in the OP -- "Are there any ex muslims in here?" -- has already been answered. Yes, there are.
if you are one i would like to hear your story, that would be the complete op

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Are there any ex muslims in here? if yes, I would like to read your story.

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Hey Mughal what's up. I wanted to ask you about apostates in Islamic countries. How many do you think there are? I know apostacy is punishable by death, but there must be some.

Al



Dear Invisible Insanity,

greetings.

You are right that there are apostates in islamic countries but almost all of them are invisible just like myself. I myself became apostate decades back but since apostates are forced to live in hiding it is therefore very difficult to know the true figure.

Recently, the internet has given us opportunity to become visible on the internet. We have hundreds of apostates on faithfreedom.org as well as on a pakistani discussion group and a bangladeshi discussion group. People are yet too frightened to join us even on the internet.

From the internet population I would assume the figure to be about a few thousand.

The number of apostates in muslim states has to be much much higher than that probably in millions but unfortunately it cannot be known for sure unless apostates can speak for themselves freely.

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