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DCHindley · 11-01-2009, 10:28 AM

According to another thread, he was a Pharmacy...

DCH

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Umm, was Jesus a Pharisee?

Tortie Cat · 11-01-2009, 12:38 PM

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Umm, was Jesus a Pharisee?

In all probability, yes,

TC

Clivedurdle · 11-01-2009, 01:03 PM

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Umm, was Jesus a Pharisee?

In all probability, yes,

TC

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=253766

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There are clear propaganda statements put into the mouth of Jesus by the gospel writers, especially about the Pharisees who in complete contrast to what Jesus is said to have said were very interested in the spirit of the law.

aa5874 · 11-01-2009, 01:11 PM

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Umm, was Jesus a Pharisee?

In all probability, yes,

TC

There is no support for such a probability anywhere in the NT or the church writings.

Jesus was a God, or the offspring of the Holy Ghost, who existed before the world began and created heaven and earth.

Jesus was in all probability a BELIEF.

Solo · 11-01-2009, 08:56 PM

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Yes, you should have everything you need to realize that Jesus wasn't crucified by the Romans for blasphemy. The story depicts the Jews being at least partially motivated by his alleged blasphemy to have him convicted and executed for sedition.

Now that you understand this, you are ahead of double a. :thumbs:

Nah, it says that the Jews decided he should die for blasphemy and brought him to the Romans, who then killed him simply to appease the crowd.

...and here is why a well-bred Roman would not likely have touched Jesus on his own : 1) Furiosi nulla voluntas est A madman has no will (of his own). Mark hints at this old Latin legal wisdom in 15:2 and 15:5. 2) Furiosus solo furore punitur A madman is (or should be) punished by his madness alone.

Jiri

dog-on · 11-02-2009, 12:12 AM

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Nah, it says that the Jews decided he should die for blasphemy and brought him to the Romans, who then killed him simply to appease the crowd.

...and here is why a well-bred Roman would not likely have touched Jesus on his own : 1) Furiosi nulla voluntas est A madman has no will (of his own). Mark hints at this old Latin legal wisdom in 15:2 and 15:5. 2) Furiosus solo furore punitur A madman is (or should be) punished by his madness alone.

Jiri

Mark's problem, not mine...

I don't think Mark viewed his hero as insane, nor does he make Pilate think so. Pilate knows it's just those envious priests....but the crowd is simply too much for poor old Pilate...

Clivedurdle · 11-02-2009, 03:38 AM

What is Mark doing using Latin legal concepts?

Solo · 11-02-2009, 04:37 AM

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...and here is why a well-bred Roman would not likely have touched Jesus on his own : 1) Furiosi nulla voluntas est A madman has no will (of his own). Mark hints at this old Latin legal wisdom in 15:2 and 15:5. 2) Furiosus solo furore punitur A madman is (or should be) punished by his madness alone.

Jiri

Mark's problem, not mine...

I don't think Mark viewed his hero as insane, nor does he make Pilate think so. Pilate knows it's just those envious priests....but the crowd is simply too much for poor old Pilate...

Mark does not view his hero as insane...but Jesus' own family does, and that is a significant datum - one, of course, that the following synoptics try to keep under tight wraps. Jesus is seen as fool in the eyes of the worldly people but he is the one whom God chose. From this I gathered that Mark was viewed as insane (in his ecstasies), even though he knew himself to be bright and talented. So he creates an idiot's tale to amuse himself and the likes of him who are mocked and trounced by the wise and strong in the world.

Again this goes back to Paul's proclamation (1 Cr 1:18-31).

Now, why would Mark portray Pilate as seeing the priests' motivated by jealousy in condemning Jesus ? Well, why do you think ? Was it not because they were afraid he really was bright and talented, i.e. chosen by God in preference to them ?

And would it not be the ultimate irony if the despised fool, whose real name we don't even know, created a small piece piece of writing that created the world's most dominant religion ? Just think about......no, I beg of you, resist for a minute the itch to bang empty-headed stupidities on your keyboad...just think about the proposition for a few moments...contemplate it ! You don't owe it to me, you owe it to yourself.

A fool created a temple for his son of God thought of as a fool. The tale grew to embrace the world. All he needed to do was actually believe this - with all his heart, with all his being: The spirit they see as Beelzebub is the spirit of God.

Jiri

Solo · 11-02-2009, 04:42 AM

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What is Mark doing using Latin legal concepts?

He uses them for contrast.

Jiri

dog-on · 11-02-2009, 04:53 AM

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Mark's problem, not mine...

I don't think Mark viewed his hero as insane, nor does he make Pilate think so. Pilate knows it's just those envious priests....but the crowd is simply too much for poor old Pilate...

Mark does not view his hero as insane...but Jesus' own family does, and that is a significant datum - one, of course, that the following synoptics try to keep under tight wraps. Jesus is seen as fool in the eyes of the worldly people but he is the one whom God chose. From this I gathered that Mark was viewed as insane (in his ecstasies), even though he knew himself to be bright and talented. So he creates an idiot's tale to amuse himself and the likes of him who are mocked and trounced by the wise and strong in the world.

Again this goes back to Paul's proclamation (1 Cr 1:18-31).

Now, why would Mark portray Pilate as seeing the priests' motivated by jealousy in condemning Jesus ? Well, why do you think ? Was it not because they were afraid he really was bright and talented, i.e. chosen by God in preference to them ?

And would it not be the ultimate irony if the despised fool, whose real name we don't even know, created a small piece piece of writing that created the world's most dominant religion ? Just think about......no, I beg of you, resist for a minute the itch to bang empty-headed stupidities on your keyboad...just think about the proposition for a few moments...contemplate it ! You don't owe it to me, you owe it to yourself.

A fool created a temple for his son of God thought of as a fool. The tale grew to embrace the world. All he needed to do was actually believe this - with all his heart, with all his being: The spirit they see as Beelzebub is the spirit of God.

Jiri

Wow Jiri, you should write a book...

I am, however, sorry that you have an issue with the story.

Of course, that is your problem and not mine, nor, I might add, is it Mark's.

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