Sheshbazzar

Did ya get that part Pete? its 'beyond a doubt' ......as long as you put your ultra-poweful Christian Urim and Thummim super peeper spectacles on.

Chili

But shepherds are not Christians and I can still hear them say: Then who can be saved?

And further, there is not a Christian home at the Vatican either, as they are all Catholic. You should talk to the Baptist once and see what they say about Catholics being Christians and so, I do not want their theology on my doorstep, but love being here.

Toto

From “Looking for Abercius: Re-Imagining Contexts of Interpretation of the Earliest Christian Inscription” Margaret M. Mitchell, University of Chicago

stephan huller

Oh no. We'll have to find something new to argue about, like whether water is really flammable or whether gravity exists.

Toto

I don't see the point of arguing. Is it "unambiguously" Christian? It is about what you would expect from a second century Christian living in a pagan culture, who threw in a few Christian symbols aimed at fellow members of his secret society. It would take some research to track down the reasoning of the scholars who have decided that this is clearly Christian - I imagine that the combined references to shepherd, fish, Virgin, queen, wine, bread, all add up.

mountainman

I made a list of all so-called Christian and/or Chrestian inscriptions claimed to be earlier than Constantine the Great Bullshit Artist. Do you have a problem with this approach?

mountainman

Loud and clear.

We could examine the first person on the list - de Rossi.

De Rossi was a corrupt and inventive papal archaeologist.

De Rossi fabricated evidence. (See below)





About de Rossi ....

Giovanni Battista de Rossi (1822-1894) considered the greatest of the 19th century Roman archaeologists. As a loyal member of the Catholic Church, he was asked by Pope Pius IX to publish his works under the Vatican imprint. In 1857 the Vatican press printed his Inscriptiones christianae Urbis Romae. The work contained 1126 inscriptions dating from the year AD 71 to 589[1] His most famous discovery was made in 1849. In a shed belonging to a wineyard, he found a stone with the partial inscription
...NELIUS MARTYR.

The only possible name was Cornelius. Pope Cornelius (251-253) died in exile, and was therefore considered a martyr.

NB: A later edition of Inscriptiones contained a total of 1374 inscriptions. The first four were scrapped as forgeries, meaning that the oldest known Christian inscription in Rome is a memorial to Emperor Caracalla's chamberlain Prosenes, who died in 217.

mountainman

The point is the historical truth of Christian origins and whether the historical truth has been concealed by a rich powerful and corrupt organisation. The point is that the evidence itself must be understood for what it is and what it is not.


But did you read the sequence of events that surrounded the discovery of this inscription? The involvement of the papal archaeologist de Rossi should suggest a second and third look at any ambiguity.




I think you will find that the Abercius inscription known as the "Queen of Early Hobbit Inscriptions" has a great priority that descends from the Pope Pious IX in the 19th century. The "Inscriptiones christianae urbis Romae". is a fat expensive and exceedingly lavish authority that was lapped up by many people before the early forgeries were weeded out.

I could be wrong but I think Richard Carrier in one of his articles or talks makes reference to evidence earlier than Bullneck. I am not sure whether he has stated explicitly what evidence he relies on for this statement, but it sounded like a reference to items on this "Inscriptiones christianae urbis Romae". and might include this Abercius inscription.

I would like to find out the sequence of events in more detail concerning how the inscription was found and how it was reconstructed, who was involved and who over-sighted the dig. Dig?

I don't trust the fucking Pope.

OVER.

Toto

Pete - there's a wealth of information in the article I linked to. Can you access it?

outhouse

Quote mined. :constern01: