rhutchin

Nope. God does not set people on fire. Hell is simply the opposite of heaven. Your contention seems to be that the owners of the football stadium are obligated to, perhaps, provide peanuts and beer as well as a 100 foot screen for people who refuse to purchase a ticket so that they can watch the game also.

rhutchin

I think the only way to begin to resolve this is for someone who knows Hebrew (the ancient Hebrew in which Genesis is written) to weigh in and explain the translation.

My understanding is that the translation of the text is difficult but that it does not mean that death would ensue on the day that the fruit was eaten (i.e., it does mean that A/E would drop dead on the spot).

post tenebras lux

But god is responsible for hell existing, and for what will happen to them in hell, isn't he?

Plus, you seem to be changing your theological horse in mid-race. I thought you held that the 'god of this world' had blinded their eyes so that they could see no tickets being offered (atheists) and/or told them that the match was in a different stadium and on a different day (followers of false religions).

I didn't think you believed that those whom god had chosen to be blinded by the 'god of this world' had any choice in the matter. But now you're suggesting that they refused to take a ticket when it was offered.

Can you kindly clarify your position Rhutchin?

Thanks in advance.

John A. Broussard

So god can suspend a person's free will whenever god so chooses.

Is that what you are saying?

John A. Broussard

Please explain what you mean by libertarian free will.

Thank you.

John A. Broussard

So the divinely inspired writers who wrote about hell flames were simply lying.

Is that correct?

John A. Broussard

Are you saying that the current translations may be inaccurate? Aren't they the divinely inspired words of god which guided believers throughout the world?

Please explain. You seem to be casting terrible doubts upon your sacred writings this morning.

Thank you.

rhutchin

God is responsible for hell existing in the sense that hell cannot exist unless heaven exists, and God has set aside one area for heaven and one area for hell.

Being blinded by the god of this world can entail many things. Use an atheist as an example. Many in this forum have a fairly decent knowledge of the Bible and salvation. The reaction of such atheists to the Bible and salvation would be that which we would expect from one who has been blinded. Such atheists seem to understand their situation (as described by the Bible). They see the ticket offered to them but reject it. If you tell an atheist that his inability to respond positively to the gospel is a consequence of his being blinded by the god of this world, he laughs. Look at it from your perspective (given that you are an atheist).

rhutchin

I am not sure how you mean that God suspends a person’s free will in the above cases. Pharaoh was free to act consistent with his desires (although God could have restricted Pharaoh’s actions). Sorta like putting a dog in a fenced yard. The dog is free to do anything it wants within the yard but cannot do anything outside the yard. As an example, you are free to pretty much do anything you want as limited by your physical and fiscal abilities.

rhutchin

Try this--

http://www.theopedia.com/Libertarian_free_will