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Old 04-04-2007, 08:23 PM   #511
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I have ever always asserted that I am willing to be disproved
either in full or in part by the provision of appropriate archeological
and/or scientific evidence. I do not pretend to be infallible or to
offer anything other than a best-guess scenario for a sketch of
an alternative history of antuqity in which both the appearance
and the rise of christianity coincided with the appearance and rise
of the emperor Constantine.

I the end, all we have here in 2007 with respect to the period 000-325
are theories of history, which by all objective and scientifically minded
logic need to have the utmost and maximal integrity with respect to
all archeological and/or scientific citations. We are all dealing with
theories of history.

Specifically, we are still dealing with a theory of history written and
assembled from scanty records of the past for this period 000-325.
This theory of history was published under Constantine, and was
written by Eusebius Pamphilus of Cesarea. The entire foundation
of BC&H Studies rests upon the backbone of Eusebian history, but
it is possible that the Eusebian history is a pseudo-history.
What I asked you was:

'Are you now asserting only that your 'fourth century invention' hypothesis is a possibility, or are you asserting that it is the most likely possibility? If you are asserting that it is the most likely possibility, what basis do you have for that assertion?'
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:28 PM   #512
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What makes you think there should be a BC&H consensus? Why shouldn't different posters have different views?

I, for example, am not asserting the truth of any particular chronology. You, on the other hand, sometimes appear to be, although at other times you appear to be asserting only its possibility, not its truth.

If somebody (and this would include you) does assert the truth of a particular chronology, it seems reasonable and fair to ask their grounds for doing so. On the other hand, insisting that somebody assert the truth of a particular chronology does not seem reasonable and fair to me. People should be allowed to say 'I don't know'.
Or they should just remain silent.
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I didn't want to belabor the point, but possibilty 1 is my selection, after investigation.
Repeating your conclusion does not answer my question.

Can you explain how your "investigation" allowed you to eliminate possibility 3?

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And the possibilities listed (1-7) were posted in response to an erroneous poster who coud only come up with 2 possibilities.
And you followed that list with the assertion that the myth of Jesus' magical conception was, alone, sufficient to eliminate "all logical possibilities".

It is this claim I would like you to support because it appears to me to be utterly false.
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What I asked you was:

'Are you now asserting only that your 'fourth century invention' hypothesis is a possibility, or are you asserting that it is the most likely possibility? If you are asserting that it is the most likely possibility, what basis do you have for that assertion?'
At present (IMO) I think the most likely possibility
is that christianity is a fourth century phenomenom.

The basis for this assertion is that there is no physical
evidence for it (outside its own literary "tradition")
before the fourth century.

What we do in fact know is that it rose to state power,
in the fourth century during a regime of absolute power
and malevolent dictatorship.
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And you followed that list with the assertion that the myth of Jesus' magical conception was, alone, sufficient to eliminate "all logical possibilities".

It is this claim I would like you to support because it appears to me to be utterly false.
Prove that it is false.
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Or they should just remain silent.
If people want to remain silent, they can. If they have questions, I can see no reason why they shouldn't ask them.
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At present (IMO) I think the most likely possibility
is that christianity is a fourth century phenomenom.

The basis for this assertion is that there is no physical
evidence for it (outside its own literary "tradition")
before the fourth century.
What sort of physical evidence would you expect to find?
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Prove that it is false.
It is false because it commits the fallacy of composition.
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It is false because it commits the fallacy of composition.
Prove it.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:06 PM   #520
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Prove it.
The following presentation proves that your argument is an instance of the fallacy of composition.

Premise 1: The statements about Jesus in the Christian Scriptures include the statement that he was born of a virgin.
Premise 2: Any statement that anybody was born of a virgin must be false.
Conclusion: The statements about Jesus in the Christian Scriptures are false.

The fallacy of composition is committed whenever an argument is made from a premise which states that some of the members of a category have a stated property to the conclusion that all the members of that category have that same stated property. The argument above does exactly this, and hence is an instance of the fallacy of composition. QED
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