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Old 06-19-2004, 09:25 AM   #41
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she was the tower, she it is whom christ cast out the 7 demons, who
possessed her because she believed in gender. But she loved much.
and love heals all and raises all up

She it is whom christ rose from the dead. He raised up her spirit
and her womb. He raised her from the grave that keeps Abel's image.

Purple haze,

He raised her up, because she was Lazarus, she only wore a burial
shroud the rest of her life, because she experienced death, and she
experienced ressurrection, and when christ had raised her from
the dead,

he took Lazarus to the side, and revealed to her, to her, like none of
the other of his apostles, all of the truth, all of it.

He allowed her to see his work and what his work meant through her.

A different seed was planted in the womb.

Cain raped Abel, and planted a demon seed, and she lays dormant
so that man can bring forth his sodomic image,

But christ raised up Mary, and cast out the demons, that held Abel down,
and planted his seed.....

'scuse me while I kiss the sky'

Mary was his first apostle, and John the Less, and the deciple whom
Jesus loved.

Jesus said "I will make Mary male"

equal in stature so that all flesh is one.

He was tempted by satan with the eternal 'blood line' he was tempted
to eat of the "red potage' of Esau, but he didn't, he was fed by the
word of god.

Jesus came to destroy the notion of Gender, that has held men in a fallen
state, as he continually reproduces his image, and worships it.

Jesus knew that there would be others trying to bring the laws of Moses,
to fruition. He sent a wise counselor, a man who knew how to get a point
a cross to a stiff necked people.

All religions are false, they all kill in the name of their god. If you
want to understand the three religions,

Judaism, Christianity and Islam, just read the story of lot. Lot represents
the sodomite, and he has 'settled' in sodom, and he is Abram's brother,
and he has two daughters, who rape him in his drunken state, and
bring forth a delusional past, his past, and project it into the future.
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Judaism, Christianity and Islam, just read the story of lot. Lot represents
the sodomite, and he has 'settled' in sodom, and he is Abram's brother,
and he has two daughters, who rape him in his drunken state, and
bring forth a delusional past, his past, and project it into the future.
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Islam doesn't believe that Prophet Lot ( may peace and blessings be upon him) slept with his daughters. Islam is free from the Scribes that added their own thoughts and desires...and blasphemed the names of honorable Prophets.

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Lot for looking back, received his lot. His daughters, whom he gives up
to the crowd, are an allegory

Lot represents Sodom or mankind in a fallen state, he is related to
Abram, but does not live the way Abram did. His two daughters are
the two bastard religions that ate of his fleshy parts. Remember Lot
is drunk aka a delusional state of existence, and his daughters lie with
him to take his seed. Both Christianity and Islam take their ties to
Judaism in order to say that their religion is viable. They are vomitous,
and dogs return to their own vomit. The two daughters can only
reproduce a delusional past, their father's delusional past, so that
sodomy still exists, and we can see this in both the christian and
the islamic religions.
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but Islam doesn't believe in that specific story of Lot.

Islam also doesn't believe in Original Sin.

Islam doesn't believe that G-d rested on the 7th Day...


Islam doesn't believe in Crucifixtion of Jesus Christ nor does it believe in that man can simulataneously be a god.....

Islam doesn't believe in "chosen peoples"....


Thus, Islam has some significant differences from some of the previous religions.....


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Islam is free from the Scribes that added their own thoughts and desires...and blasphemed the names of honorable Prophets.
right. islamic scribes are *much* superior. that's why nobody can figure out if mohammed did or did not have sex with a 9 year old.
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Thus, Islam has some significant differences from some of the previous religions.....
not really. Judaism agrees with virtually your entire list. G-d did not rest - G-d does not need to rest - Lot is obviously an allegory designed to scare small children around a campfire, not a historical tract - "chosen people" does not imply special access to G-d - etc etc etc.

maybe we should apply for a Soros cultural grant to open a kosher-halal restaurant.
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"The verb 'to hear, in the translation is the Greek verb 'akouô' meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for example, given us the word 'acoustics', the science of sounds.

The verb 'to speak' in the translation is the Greek verb 'laleô' which has the general meaning of 'to emit sounds' and the specific meaning of 'to speak'. This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration made by Jesus during His preachings. It therefore becomes clear that the communication to man which He here proclaims does not in any way consist of a statement inspired by the agency of the Holy Spirit. It has a very obvious material character moreover, which comes from the idea of the emission of sounds conveyed by the Greek word that defines it.

The two Greek verbs 'akouô' and 'laleô' therefore define concrete actions which can only be applied to a being with hearing and speech organs. It is consequently impossible to apply them to the Holy Spirit."
{Maurice Bucaille}
This is nonsense. The verb laleo just means "to speak" and it does not designate a solemn declaration of Jesus during his preaching - as anyone who actually read the Greek text would quickly learn. It is a standard verb used of ANYONE saying ANYTHING, whether solemn or not. Furthermore, the idea that the speaker has to be a material, concrete person is codswallop, as anyone familiar with the text would also know. It implies nothing whatsoever about the nature of the speaker. It is used ALL THE TIME in the septuagint of God speaking (e.g. Gen. 12:4, 16:13, and dozens of other occasions). It is also repeatedly used of God speaking in the New Testament (e.g. Acts 7:44, ho lalon to Mouse, "he (God) spoke to Moses"). So on River's theory God must be a concrete human person. After all, if the verb laleo can only be applied to a being with speech organs, then we must conclude that God has speech organs. It is obvious that Maurice Bucaille knows nothing about koine Greek.

Amaleq13 is right; anyone with the slightest familiarity with the NT knows that the comforter is the Holy Spirit.
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right. islamic scribes are *much* superior. that's why nobody can figure out if mohammed did or did not have sex with a 9 year old.
well...it wasn't an issue at the time. Whatever he did.....it did not raise eyebrows during the time.

Also you are confusing Hadiths with the Quran. The Ahadees is a collection of sayings and writings attributed to Prophet Muhammad. It was transmitted via thousands of individuals who knew the Prophet. It is fallible. It is not divine. Nor is it revelation

The Holy Qur'an is not the words of Muhammad (pbuh). The Qur'an is the speech of G-d transmitted from a Preserved Templet in Heaven. The Archangel Gabriel was responsible for sending this message to Muhammad. The Holy Qur'an had an unprecendented, meticulous preservation method. And the oldest (arabic) Quran that one can find is uniform with the newest (arabic) Quran.

I was speaking about Lot's story in the Quran and gave an indirect reference to the Bible's account. Most of the Biblical Scripture was composed and compiled over a 100 years after Jesus Christ due to preference for oral tradition.

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not really. Judaism agrees with virtually your entire list. G-d did not rest - G-d does not need to rest - Lot is obviously an allegory designed to scare small children around a campfire, not a historical tract - "chosen people" does not imply special access to G-d - etc etc etc.

maybe we should apply for a Soros cultural grant to open a kosher-halal restaurant.

That would be nice. I am a supporter of Jewish-Muslim social relations. I believe the religions are quite compatible....unfortunately bad politics is doing a good job separating the two religions.


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Amaleq13 is right; anyone with the slightest familiarity with the NT knows that the comforter is the Holy Spirit.

Why would Jesus say that he would send another Paraclete? Is there more than one Holy Spirit? I do not believe that particular series of verses are a smooth fit ....for the Holy Spirit.....

However, you are free to believe as you choose....


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