Duvduv

Yeah, Cleopatra existed, Hammurabi existed, Hannibal existed, Socrates existed, Gautama existed, Lao Tzu existed, Ethelred existed, the assorted pharoahs existed, Kung Fu Tze existed, Julius Caesar existed, Philip of Macedonia existed, Darius existed, but Moses didn't exist. Hmm.....

outhouse

santa claus, easter bunny, boogy man, thor, saturn, HHHmmm

Toto

That internet blogger is a published author. He cites a number of academic references.

Please stop addressing people as "bud." Please stop disparaging others. Please stop issuing summary judgments such as "carry no credibility" without supporting references.

If you don't have those references, please don't post. Your opinions carry no weight by themselves.

outhouse

This is about biblical criticism and real history


not untrained bloggers unite! some people are forced to defend because of the unsupported and unfounded and untrained, views they promote.




First what I called was spot on, and you cannot refute it.

second he is a untrained nobody promoting misinformation and according to some sources, he has been caught red handed lying and admitting to it.







is there any chance you could not defend uncredible sources?


lets get this straight, that blogging website carries no weight


http://truth-be-told.tripod.com/id11.html

Chili

Of course Moses existed and was just a forerunner of Billy Graham with a partial transfiguration that turned his hair white instead, and that alone is sufficient proof that he did exist.

Parting the water was a huge mistake, fatal even, and is why Jesus had to show us how it is done right.

Toto

So cite some "real" history.

Look in a mirror lately? Your training does not compare to John Loftus.


What you "called on" was too incoherent to refute. You spew out insults. But you can't back them up.

Let's get this straight - to show that John Loftus is an "untrained" nobody internet blogger, you cite - an internet blog! :Cheeky: run by a Christian apologist who defends JP Holding and slanders Loftus for his own reasons.

Here is Loftus' training:

I earned a bachelor's degree from Great Lakes Christian College, two master's degrees from Lincoln Christian University, a Master's of Theology degree with half of the hours in William Lane Craig's classes at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and then spent a year and a half in a PhD program at Marquette University in Theology and Ethics. Most students who spend this much time in school would have their PhD's by that time.[list of classes omitted]. . .

I have taught Apologetics, Hermeneutics, Christian Theology, Christian Ethics, and Bible classes for Lincoln Christian University and/or Great Lakes Christian College. I have also taught Introduction to Philosophy, Philosophy of Religion, Introduction to Ethics, Critical Thinking, and World Literature classes for the College of Lake County, Kellogg Community College, and/or Trine University. I did this as an adjunct instructor, mostly while I was in the ministry for 14 years in Christian Churches in Illinois, Michigan, and Indiana as an Associate Minister, Minister and Senior minister. I was the President of the ministerial association in Angola, Indiana, when I was a minister there. As an atheist I have read a paper for a Regional Meeting of the Evangelical Philosophical Society, and one for the Annual Meeting of the Society of Biblical Literature. I still teach online college classes for the CFI Institute on occasion.

You would think I studied the issues out to know what I'm talking about, yes? I mean, really, you cannot claim I'm ignorant. That option is not one you can seriously entertain. I might be wrong, but I'm not ignorant.

Do you have any more support for your crazy idea that John Loftus is untrained? Would you like to compare your training?

outhouse

he is trained in apologetics, not history

doesnt have a PHD

is not a scholar



and supposedly. has been caught lying




not the best place to learn anything.

Iskander

Are you having a serious argument about the mating habits of the children of Adam and Eve?

Relax.

Toto

He is trained in textual criticism and related areas, and has the coursework required for a PhD. Furthermore, he makes coherent arguments and cites his sources.

Your training?

according to an internet blogger?

Please do not casually throw around libelous charges like this.

compared to your training? I think you listed some TV specials you have watched.

aa5874

You presented a perfect example of a logical fallacy. You ought to know that the existence or non-existence of Moses has nothing whatsoever to do with other figures whether invented or not.

The character called Moses is included in the Myth Fables of the Bible and many accounts of Moses most likely did NOT happen.