stephan huller

Yes you have that tool. How did you do that? I wish I could search with that tool. I am just manually going through the text. Could you tell me where you found that?

stephan huller

On the 'introduced in' question I would argue that this is how Eusebius used the terminology:

I cannot find any other examples but then again I don't have that tool you seem to possess. That would save me a lot of time. Please, please, please tell me how you did that search! I can't even figure out how to search to text on a page using Firefox.

stephan huller

But I think the use of εἰσάγεται ἐν might be stronger. Consider the example of Melchizedek. He is literally 'introduced in' scripture as the priest of the most High God:

Jeffrey Gibson

I use the TLG.

Jeffrey

stephan huller

What the heck is the TLG? Ignore my nasty comments at the other thread (at least until you explain this to me )

Jeffrey Gibson

Clemens Alexandrinus Theol., Paedagogus
Book 1, chapter 9, subchapter 85, section 1, line 3

Διὰ τοῦτο
εἰσάγεται ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ κεκμηκώς, ὁ κάμνων ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν
καὶ «δοῦναι τὴν ψυχὴν τὴν ἑαυτοῦ λύτρον ἀντὶ πολλῶν»
ὑπισχνούμενος.
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Eusebius Scr. Eccl., Theol., Historia ecclesiastica
Book 1, chapter 3, section 17, line 2

οὗτος
δὲ εἰσάγεται ἐν τοῖς ἱεροῖς λόγοις ὁ Μελχισεδὲκ ἱερεὺς τοῦ
θεοῦ τοῦ ὑψίστου, οὐκ ἐν σκευαστῷ τινι χρίσματι ἀναδεδειγμένος,
ἀλλ' οὐδὲ διαδοχῇ γένους προσήκων τῇ καθ' Ἑβραίους ἱερωσύνῃ·
δι' ὃ κατὰ τὴν αὐτοῦ τάξιν, ἀλλ' οὐ κατὰ τὴν τῶν ἄλλων σύμβολα
καὶ τύπους ἀνειληφότων Χριστὸς καὶ ἱερεὺς μεθ' ὅρκου παρα-
λήψεως ὁ σωτὴρ ἡμῶν ἀνηγόρευται· ὅθεν οὐδὲ σωματικῶς
παρὰ Ἰουδαίοις χρισθέντα αὐτὸν ἡ ἱστορία παραδίδωσιν, ἀλλ'
οὐδ' ἐκ φυλῆς τῶν ἱερωμένων γενόμενον, ἐξ αὐτοῦ δὲ θεοῦ πρὸ
ἑωσφόρου μέν, τοῦτ' ἐστὶν πρὸ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου συστάσεως,
οὐσιωμένον, ἀθάνατον δὲ καὶ ἀγήρω τὴν ἱερωσύνην εἰς τὸν

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Syriani, Sopatri Et Marcellini Scholia Ad Hermogenis Status, Scholia ad Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Volume 4, page 496, line 1

δια-
φέρει δὲ τῷ τὴν προβολὴν αὔξησιν ἔχειν τῶν πεπραγ-
μένων, τὸν δὲ ἀνθορισμὸν κατασκευὴν αὐτῶν· καὶ ἐν
μὲν τῇ προβολῇ ὡς ὁμολογούμενα εἰσάγεται, ἐν δὲ τῷ
ἀνθορισμῷ ὡς ἀμφίβολα ὑπὸ τῆς ἀντιλογίας τοῦ ὅρου
γινόμενα κατασκευάζεται· πλατύνεται δὲ ὁ ἀνθορισμὸς
τοῖς περιστατικοῖς τοῖς πεπραγμένοις παραδείγμασιν, ὡς ἐπὶ
τοῦ φιλοσόφου· ἐρεῖ γὰρ, ὅτι τοῦτό ἐστι τυραννοκτονία,
τὸ ἐπὶ τὴν ἀκρόπολιν παρελθεῖν, τὸ πεῖσαι τὸν τυραν-
νοῦντα τὴν καθ' ἑαυτὸν ἐλαύνειν, τὸ τοὺς δορυφόρους
ἀπατῆσαι, τὸ σῶσαι τοὺς νόμους, τὸ δοῦλον ἐλεύθερον
καταστῆσαι· καὶ ὁ πένης ὁμοίως ἐρεῖ κατὰ τοῦ πλουσίου·
τοῦτό ἐστιν ὑβρίσαι, τὸ πλούτῳ θαῤῥοῦντα τυφλώττειν,

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Syriani, Sopatri Et Marcellini Scholia Ad Hermogenis Status, Scholia ad Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Volume 4, page 544, line 14

πολλαχῶς δὲ
ἐν τῷ ἔργῳ παραλαμβάνεται ἡ τῆς γνώμης ἐξέτασις·
ἀλλ' ἐν μὲν τοῖς ἄλλοις μέρεσι μερικῶς καὶ εἰς ἑτέρων
κατασκευὰς εἰσάγεται, ἐνταῦθα δὲ προηγουμένως καθ'
ἑαυτὴν, οἰκεῖος γὰρ αὐτῆς ὁ τόπος.
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Syriani, Sopatri Et Marcellini Scholia Ad Hermogenis Status, Scholia ad Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Volume 4, page 697, line 16

ἔστι δὲ καὶ
ἡ στοχαστικὴ ἀντίθεσις ἡνίκα ἐμπίπτει· ἐν μὲν ἀντι-
στάσει ὑπὸ τοῦ κατηγόρου εἰσάγεται, ἐν δὲ μεταστάσει
ὑπὸ τοῦ φεύγοντος.
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Didymus Caecus Scr. Eccl., Fragmenta in Psalmos (e commentario altero)
Fragment 373, line 1

Ps 37,2
Ἐξομολογούμενον πρόσωπον εἰσάγεται ἐν τῷ ψαλμῷ τούτῳ.
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Ducas Hist., Historia Turcobyzantina
Chapter 19, section 5, line 8

Ὁ δὲ Μωσῆς εἰσάγεται ἐν Ἀδριανουπόλει μετὰ δο-
ρυφορίας καὶ τιμῆς ὅσης καὶ ἡγεμὼν δύσεως ἀναδείκνυται.
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Syrianus Phil., Commentarium in Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Page 104, line 16

ὁ δὲ ἀνθορισμὸς τῇ
προβολῇ κοινωνεῖ μὲν κατὰ τὸ ἔχειν κοινὰ τὰ πεπραγ-
μένα ἀπ' ἀρχῆς ἄχρι τέλους καὶ τὸ ἐκ τῶν περιστατι-
κῶν μορίων ἄμφω τὰ κεφάλαια λαμβάνειν τὴν εὐ-
πορίαν· διαφέρει δὲ τῷ τὴν μὲν προβολὴν αὔξησιν
ἔχειν τῶν πεπραγμένων, τὸν δὲ ἀνθορισμὸν κατα-
σκευὴν αὐτῶν, καὶ ἐν μὲν τῇ προβολῇ ὡς ὁμολογού-
μενα εἰσάγεται, ἐν δὲ τῷ ἀνθορισμῷ ὡς ἀμφίβολα
ὑπὸ τῆς ἀντιλογίας τοῦ ὅρου γενόμενα κατασκευάζεται.
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Syrianus Phil., Commentarium in Hermogenis librum περὶ στάσεων
Page 145, line 20

ἔτι δὲ
καὶ ἡ στοχαστικὴ ἀντίθεσις ἡνίκα ἐμπίπτει ἐν μὲν
ἀντιστάσει ὑπὸ τοῦ κατηγόρου εἰσάγεται, ἐν δὲ μετα-
στάσει ὑπὸ τοῦ φεύγοντος.
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Anonymi In Aristotelis Categorias Phil., Paraphrasis categoriarum
Page 39, line 7

καὶ δὴ πρῶτον μὲν οὐκ ἀποδεχόμεθα τοὺς κατὰ τὴν
κοινότητα τὴν ἐκ τῶν πολλῶν καὶ κεχωρισμένην παρ' ἡμῶν ἐννοουμένην ἐφι-
στάνοντας τὴν ποιότητα· κινδυνεύει γὰρ οὕτως ἀνυπόστατος εἶναι καὶ ἡ ποιότης
καὶ τὰ ἑκτά· οὐδεμία γὰρ κατὰ τὰς τοιαύτας ἐπινοίας ὑπόστασις εἰσάγεται, ἐν
δὲ τοῖς καθ' ἕκαστα καὶ συνθέτοις ὑπάρχει οὖσα.
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Scholia In Aristophanem, Scholia in vespas (scholia vetera, recentiora Tricliniana et Aldina)
Argumentum-dramatis personae-scholion sch vesp, verse 1039a, line 4

VΓAld
vet Tr <οἳ τοὺς πατέρας:> τοῦ-
το πρὸς τὸν †ὑπ'† αὐτῶν ἥττονα
λόγον, ᾧ πατραλοίας χρώμενος εἰς-
άγεται ἐν Νεφέλαις.
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Scholia In Theocritum, Scholia in Theocritum (scholia vetera)
Prolegomenon-anecdote-poem Anec Est, section-verse 5, line 15

Δάφνιν γάρ, ὃς ἐνταῦθα τεθνηκὼς παρεισάγεται, ἐν τοῖς ἑξῆς
εἰδυλλίοις ζῶντα παρεισάγει.

stephan huller

Okay, but how does this disprove what I am saying? Eusebius and Clement are using the terminology in the same way. At the very least it is a possible interpretation of Clement's usage. <snip> I really think this is an important discussion. I don't know why ego has to get in the way. BTW can you explain where this TLG is?

Jeffrey Gibson

No. <snip>JG

stephan huller

<snip> Your trying to argue that Clement and Eusebius can't be seen as using the terminology in the same way? <snip> ... I can learn stuff I didnt' know like the TLG. <snip>

stephan huller

<snip>