Toto

I'm afraid that this thread has earned a trip downstairs.

:wave:

Ad Astra

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

MOTG

I know what the Bible says, why think otherwise?

Censoring has begun I see and taking the truth away from the eyes of others. That's a bad sign.

funinspace

Proven: Having been demonstrated or verified without doubt
If this is so, then why does a large minority of the Christian Scholarly world, question who wrote Revelations? Turtullian didn't consider it authentic; and Augustine didn't believe that John wrote it. Also Martin Luther privately questioned the validity of Revelations as divinely inspired. The authors of the conservative New Bible Commentary also acknowledge the difficulty of knowing who wrote Revelations. And these are just the Christians speaking.

Are you sure you understand what the word "proven" means?

MOTG

Without a doubt Christ is proven as being God.

Christian scholars don't question who wrote Revelation, though unregenerates would, for they lack discernment about that which has been solidly proven.

Augustine and Luther were calvinists, confused souls. Turtullian has his own issues, but the evidence speaks against them.

Evidence is shown by intricate detailed examination in harmony and agreement.

Celine

You're right, I was just a bit rusty in my Animal Farm-isms
The sermonIZER 'brays,' whereupon the sheep baaaaa.

And the Mods are also correct. Much of this religionizing is truly mind-numbing.

Dean Anderson

Because as I pointed out above, your claims directly contradict what it says.

Therefore, either:

1) You do not in fact know what it says.

2) You do know what it says but you think it is wrong.

3) You do know what it says and you think it is right, but you are deliberately lying to us.

Which is it?

No-one has been censored on this thread. Everything that has been postedon it is still here to be read. It has merely been moved to a more appropriate forum based on its content.

funinspace

MOTG, do you always show such disrespect for anyone who doesn't tow your worldview line? The Christian scholars/theologens of the New Bible Commentary are hardly Calvinist, hardly lacking in discernment; and hardly liberal. Again, I have to ask, do you even know what the word "proven" means?
Thank you all for listening to the latest Fundie compilation album that repeats the classic "pop….eeeeescreetch….pop…..pop……. screeeeech…pop". All input devices are currently shut down due to lack of exercise.

David B

It seems that you didn't know that a book of the bible that you claim was written by Moses contained an account of his death, so you clearly don't know everything the bible says.

Logically, your quote above is equivalent to 'I know what the Koran says, why think otherwise?', 'I know what the Book of Mormon says, why think otherwise?'

I know quite a lot about what the Bible says. Why believe it? Especially the supernatural claims? Have you come to see that non Christian sources written generations after Christ do not substantiate miraculous claims about him?

Not so. Elsewhere gets a lot of traffic. This thread doesn't meet the standards of BCH. You'll be able to get threads up there again when you learn to mount a coherent argument which addresses people's points, and where you state (perhaps by using the quote button) which points you are addressing.

You could start to get some practice by addressing the points I make in this post.

David B

MOTG

Of course I know of the account of the death of Moses. In my NLT study notes it says that a small part of one of the books of Moses was likely written by Joshua.

Overassuming will get you every time.