Chris Weimer

Yeah, way to miss the obvious.

In 2000 years, what evidence do you think there will be for your cousin's existence? Most likely, none. Does that mean that they never existed?

Dina Noun

And it's really sad that so much of modern human (well, American) society is still being controlled by religious mish mash, mumbo jumbo, superstitious fairy tales fabricated by ignorant people some 2000 years ago. Sad indeed.

And Jabu Kahn has a valid point: comparing Jesus to someone like Julius Caesar is like comparing apples to oranges.

Jabu Khan

If my cousin took on the America government, was executed and showed up on a street corner three days later I seriously doubt it would be hard to prove his historical existence. I also imagine it would have a huge immediate cultural impact directly tied to the events of his life exactly what the accounts of Jesus lacks.

If he had an unremarkable life all recollection of him vanished, then I don't see any correlation whatsoever.

Chris Weimer

Take your cousin and place him in in Judaea 2000 years ago. Remember, there are no newspapers, a large portion of the population are illiterate, and crucifixion was a common way of killing radicals, plenty of which we only have an odd mentioning or for some we don't have *any* evidence they existed at all.

DrDale

Who says that anyone is comparing Julius Caeser and Jesus Christ?


Cheers, DrDale

jjramsey

Depends on what you are comparing. If you are comparing volumes of evidence, then yes, it is an apples and oranges comparision. However, what is being pointed out is not the volume of evidence, but the fact that since known historical figures have legends surrounding them, the mere presence of legends is not evidence against historicity.

Jabu Khan

But all we have is the legend where is the historocity?

Jabu Khan

I know the OP wants to ignore the weight given to Jesus but its hard tio ignore the absurdity that a God who punishes the world by means of a global flood offers it salvation in the backwoods somewhere with hardly a whisper.

Chris Weimer

Are you so sure of this statement? You are absolutely positive that all we have for Jesus is merely legend?

Jesus and God are two totally different issues. If you feel like ranting against God, there are more appropriate venues to do this other than a thread which is dealing with the historicity of what is assumed to be historical figures.

Jabu Khan

Well I don't know maybe in the past 2000 years the people trying to force the rest of the world to accept it have managed to hide some little gem while throwing mountains of crap at us. Care to share it?