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Gavriel · 08-17-2005, 06:30 PM

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It seems to me you don't really understand the concept of Midrashic material, now do you?

Hmm let's see what I said....

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however they are there only to illustrate a point or give another perspective. They are not "cannonical" but still very important.

And let's see what someone else said pretty much reiterating my point....

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Originally Posted by Anat

however Judaism isn't literalist in reading and interpretation - one isn't required to believe a particular reading, or that the story reflects actual events.

So why did you signal me out?

Could it be you know jack-shit about the Midrash and if anyone actually defends the bible or other religious works you then decided to masquerade like you know what you're talking about and critize it?

Peter Kirby · 08-17-2005, 06:36 PM

Chris Weimer is a gentleman and a scholar.

best wishes,
Peter Kirby

Treacle Worshipper · 08-18-2005, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavriel

There are alot of Jewish legends and myths. They are complied in the Midrash, however they are there only to illustrate a point or give another perspective. They are not "cannonical" but still very important.

I never claimed it was "canonical". I just find myths interesting and it seemed to have some relevance to the OP.

TW

premjan · 08-18-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nukular

The Greek legend can be found in Plato's Dialogues. Can't remember which one -- for some reason all I can think of is Phaedrus.

I haven't read that one, so it might be Symposium.

Toto · 08-18-2005, 11:12 AM

Chili digression split off here.

Dean Anderson · 08-19-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Actually, it depends on which story you read. I believe the first one is the E-story, which God made Adam and Eve at the same time, and the second is the J-story, which Adam came first and Eve was taken from his body. I could be wrong on which story though, as I don't have my Friedman with me at the moment.

I thought that Genesis 1 was usually taken to be a P-text, not an E-text...

Chris Weimer · 08-21-2005, 12:46 PM

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I thought that Genesis 1 was usually taken to be a P-text, not an E-text...

I suppose you have the book on hand. I, once again, forgot to bring it to the library. I was thinking it was E because it contained Elohim, but then again that conforms to the P text because God was Elohim until he was revealed to Moses as YHWH. Now that you mention it, I think it is a P text.

Chris Weimer · 08-21-2005, 01:13 PM

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So why did you signal me out?

Hrm, possibly because you seemed confused. If I may quote

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Originally Posted by Gavriel

There are alot of Jewish legends and myths. They are complied in the Midrash, however they are there only to illustrate a point or give another perspective. They are not "cannonical" but still very important.

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Silly me, I was going by thousands of years of Jewish Scholars when I said it was Midrash story, should have consulted the "expert" Friedman.

Unfortunately for you, you don't seem to realize that modern historical understandings of the authorship of the Tetrateuch (and in this case Genesis) bear no relation to Midrashic commentary whatsoever. One is history, the other is theology.

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