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John A. Broussard · 04-12-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by IAsimisI

The Church has no opinion on the matter

The Church teaching Limbo is a popular myth, it is just speculation among theologians, no offical doctrine but not heresy to be condemned either.

Difficult as it is for me to admit it, you are right, and I am wrong. Just a little bit of research completely supports your view. Here's what I found:

"Baltimore Catechism No. 3 states, with its usual air of certainty: 'Persons, such as infants, who have not committed actual sin and who, through no fault of theirs, die without baptism, cannot enter heaven; but it is the common belief they will go to some place similar to limbo, where they will be free from suffering, though deprived of the happiness of heaven' (Q. 632). Most Catholics, of course, made no distinction between defined doctrines and what appeared in the catechism. It was all church teaching, to be accepted without question."

So there's no official view, only an official confirming of the fact that limbo is a notion which appears in the Catholic Catechism, where it seems that unbaptized children just hang out someplace, but don't go to heaven.

Thanks for making me do some much needed research.

Matt the Medic · 04-12-2005, 02:28 PM

We had limbo at youth nights in the methodist church I grew up in. Fun times. If I tried now I'd probably herniate a disc or two.

Boro Nut · 04-12-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

Limbo in the bible

It's not a Christian concept. Neither, surprisingly, is the Hokey Cokey. Try looking it up under Voodoo, Ju Ju, or Rastafarianism.

Boro Nut

Matt the Medic · 04-12-2005, 02:30 PM

Hokey Cokey?

Over on this side of the sea we call it the Hokey Pokey. And the chicken dance totally owns it.

Alludium Fozdex · 04-12-2005, 02:38 PM

Okay, this isn't about bending over backwards and dancing under a stick...

:: goes out the way he came in ::

John A. Broussard · 04-12-2005, 02:48 PM

I'm beginning to get the feeling that there are a bunch of atheists on this site who don't care that a person can be a good Catholic and yet believe that unbaptized children will go to hell and burn for all of eternity.

Have you no compassion?

Toto · 04-12-2005, 03:16 PM

We care. Deeply. We hope that leads to their deconversion.

But what is the Catholic doctrine on what happens to aborted fetuses? Or miscarriages at 2 months pregnancy? You wonder why they haven't figured out how to baptize the embryo in the womb.

Toto · 04-12-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

It's not a Christian concept. Neither, surprisingly, is the Hokey Cokey. Try looking it up under Voodoo, Ju Ju, or Rastafarianism.

Boro Nut

I looked up the Hokey Cokey, and that is what the Hokey Pokey is called over their. And it seems that its origins are in blasphemy!

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Canon Nairn-Briggs said: "In the days when the priest celebrated the Mass with his back to the people and whispered the Latin words of consecration with many hand movements, the laity mimicked the movements as they saw them and the words as they misheard them." The words "hokey cokey" were a mishearing, or a deliberate parody, of the Latin phrase "Hoc est enim corpus meum", which translates as "This is my body".

Canon Nairn-Briggs also contends that another corruption of the same phrase is "hocus pocus", the words believed to be used by magicians when they were casting spells.

Evoken · 04-12-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

But what is the Catholic doctrine on what happens to aborted fetuses? Or miscarriages at 2 months pregnancy? You wonder why they haven't figured out how to baptize the embryo in the womb.

There are three types of baptisms: water, blood and desire. Those that you described above being the innocent victims that they are fall under baptism of blood and go to heaven.

Evoken · 04-12-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Broussard

I'm beginning to get the feeling that there are a bunch of atheists on this site who don't care that a person can be a good Catholic and yet believe that unbaptized children will go to hell and burn for all of eternity.

Have you no compassion?

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1261.htm

Nobody said they go to hell, use the CCC, not the Baltimore one.

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04-12-2005, 02:28 PM	#12
Matt the Medic Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,584	We had limbo at youth nights in the methodist church I grew up in. Fun times. If I tried now I'd probably herniate a disc or two.

04-12-2005, 02:30 PM	#14
Matt the Medic Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,584	Hokey Cokey? Over on this side of the sea we call it the Hokey Pokey. And the chicken dance totally owns it.

04-12-2005, 02:38 PM	#15
Alludium Fozdex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Planet X, hiding from Duck Dodgers Posts: 1,691	Okay, this isn't about bending over backwards and dancing under a stick... :: goes out the way he came in ::

04-12-2005, 02:48 PM	#16
John A. Broussard Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,629	I'm beginning to get the feeling that there are a bunch of atheists on this site who don't care that a person can be a good Catholic and yet believe that unbaptized children will go to hell and burn for all of eternity. Have you no compassion?

04-12-2005, 03:16 PM	#17
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	We care. Deeply. We hope that leads to their deconversion. But what is the Catholic doctrine on what happens to aborted fetuses? Or miscarriages at 2 months pregnancy? You wonder why they haven't figured out how to baptize the embryo in the womb.

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