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Old 04-12-2007, 09:39 AM   #731
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Well, except that Huckleberry Finn is a novel, part of a genre. Is there anything like Mark in contemporary literature?

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Hellenistic novels of the period have a lot in common with the gospels, including empty tombs.

Michael Turton who has posted here as Vorkosigan has written about this: Historical Commentary on the Gospel of Mark
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Hellenistic novels of the period have a lot in common with the gospels, including empty tombs.

Michael Turton who has posted here as Vorkosigan has written about this: Historical Commentary on the Gospel of Mark
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Well, except that Huckleberry Finn is a novel, part of a genre. Is there anything like Mark in contemporary literature?
No. the Gospels are a previously inexistent ammé haaretz literature. They are most closely related to Talmudic midrash.
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So, you have a reasonably intelligent Christian to convert, and being a scientist, I am responsive to reason and evidence. Please make your case.
Scientist? I thought you said you were a psychologist.
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Scientist? I thought you said you were a psychologist.
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ETA: btw I'm a cognitive psychologist/neuroscientist. I test falsifiable hypotheses and crunch a lot of numbers.
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No. the Gospels are a previously inexistent ammé haaretz literature. They are most closely related to Talmudic midrash.
Citation? And in what way close to the Talmudic midrash? Certainly I'd have said the parables were, but the entire gospels?
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How could [contemporary Jewish writers] know that [Christ] would acquire power, world power, through an entirely unexpected literary master-stroke, namely, through the occasional writings of a previously nonexistent ammé haaretz literature?—Constantin Brunner, Our Christ, p. 275.
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And in what way close to the Talmudic midrash? Certainly I'd have said the parables were, but the entire gospels?
The New Testament has no halakha and would be nothing but a midrash like other midrashim, did the personality of Christ not live in it.—op. cit., p. 218.
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How could [contemporary Jewish writers] know that [Christ] would acquire power, world power, through an entirely unexpected literary master-stroke, namely, through the occasional writings of a previously nonexistent ammé haaretz literature?—Constantin Brunner, Our Christ, p. 275.

The New Testament has no halakha and would be nothing but a midrash like other midrashim, did the personality of Christ not live in it.—op. cit., p. 218.
OK, thanks.

Can you summarise the argument? What do you mean by "The New Testament has no halakha"?
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Can you summarise the argument? What do you mean by "The New Testament has no halakha"?
Halaka, literally "Way (of life), from halakh = to go; the normative part of the "oral law," the religious law, especially the so-called "ceremonial law." Opposed to it is the haggada (or aggada), from hagged, to narrate; likewise, the originally oral narrative literature, especially the Midrashim—fables, legends, parables, etc.—from darash, to lecture, preach. Hence, also darshan, preacher, lecturer. On halakha and haggada, (cf. page 328).—Our Christ, editorial note, p. 218.
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Hellenistic novels of the period have a lot in common with the gospels, including empty tombs.
Really? Could you be a bit more specific about which novels have this topos? Do all of them? And when were the ones that have it wriiten?. And exactly what do the say about the tomb being empty -- that is to say, what point are they stressing/what fact are they underscoring when they use it?

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