aa5874

Your statement cannot be shown to be true and is a logical fallacy.

1. You cannot show that ALL TRUTH is violently opposed.

2. You cannot show that things that are Violently OPPOSED is ALL Truth.

Now, please consider a VIOLENT FIGHT between TWO opponents about the TRUTH.

Please, explain how EACH one VIOLENTLY FIGHTS for ALL TRUTH???

You MUST be aware that LIES can be Violently Opposed.

outhouse

is there any evidence at all they were there? widespread is vague




false

your maiking the unfounded statements playing connect the imaginitive dots.

it is up to you to provide evidence that would replace imagination in said "dots"

vague doesnt give anything historicity when we have opposing scripture stating jesus was not of that sect in any way shape or form.

that also goes for what we know about JtB, you would also have to prove he belonged to said sect. you have nothing there either.


you dont even have and trait's, or knowledge of said sect that you could use either.



the scripture shows jesus could have been part of the zealots or atleast influeneced by them, what influences does your sect provide???????????


nothing??????

pinkvoy

you claim
what evidence do you have for this? Roman historian Tacitus reports of Christians being in Rome as early as 64 CE. Seems pretty widespread.

Jesus in Judea to Christians in Rome in 64CE doesn't sound like failure.

outhouse

64 years after jesus death, and not a jewish sect at that point. at that point we have mostly roman's/gentiles that have followed pauls teachings as well as other roman teachers

thats another place you fail

pinkvoy

64CE-34CE= 20 years. If you don't grasp basic arithematic then there's not much more I can say to help you.

outhouse

I almost stand corrected lol ,,,, good catch


31 years after his death, paul started writing about 15 years after

aa5874

In Annals there is NO claim that the supposed Christians were followers of Jesus. In fact, there is NO mention of Jesus in Annals 15.

But, most important, is that Tacitus Annals with Christus Magically FELL from the Sky Hundreds of years AFTER Annals was written.

NOBODY , NO CHRISTIAN writer of antiquity used Tacitus Annals with Christus even up to the 5th century.

Tacitus Annals with Christus is a MOST blatant forgery and the copy of Annals show signs of manipulation.

aa5874

No, No, No!!!! You are MAKING stuff up. There is ZERO, NIL, NONE, NO evidence or written statement in the Canon that Paul wrote any letters before c 70 CE.

Please, let us do history and STOP the propaganda.

Paul wrote NO letters before c 70 CE based on the ABUNDANCE of evidence from antiquity.

Paul was a FAKE 1st century author like Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, John and Jude.

Philo could NOT have written about Jesus and his followers because the Jesus Christ character was a 2nd century INVENTION.

Based on the writings attributed to Justin the Jesus cult of Christians was in its INFANCY stage around the mid 2nd century.

PhilosopherJay

Hi pinkvoy,

Tacitus used the term "Chrestus" that is completely different than Christ.

Imagine a group called the Saviorians because their founder was named Joshua Savior.
Now imagine a writer saying the Goodians, followers of Mr. Good were accused of setting fire to Rome and punished.

It would be ridiculous to say that the Goodians must be the same as the Saviorians.

We now know that the text of Tacitus was forged by Christians to change the original name.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin

pinkvoy

the passage in question

The key part of the passage reads as follows:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind".


leaves no rational doubt this is Christ. It also represents an independent confirmation of the historicity of Jesus and the reliability of the New Testament

Jesus and His Contemporaries: Comparative Studies by Craig A. Evans 2001 ISBN 0-391-04118-5 page 42
^ Mercer dictionary of the Bible by Watson E. Mills, Roger Aubrey Bullard 2001 ISBN 0-86554-373-9 page 343
^ Pontius Pilate in History and Interpretation by Helen K. Bond 2004 ISBN 0-521-61620-4 page xi


Jesus myth = denialists.