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Old 09-03-2005, 04:46 AM   #141
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Let me ask you this: If Jesus was historical and people believed he had been resurrected--even people who never knew him personally, what do you think that implies about Jesus' life? Anything at all?
Nothing, as the "people who never knew him personally" indicate that a life of Jesus is superfluous.

Now you can reformulate your question yet again, this time leaving out the "people who never knew him personally". But then, what is the value of a question which asks one to speculate of various assumptions?


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Old 09-03-2005, 07:48 AM   #142
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Nothing, as the "people who never knew him personally" indicate that a life of Jesus is superfluous.

Now you can reformulate your question yet again, this time leaving out the "people who never knew him personally". But then, what is the value of a question which asks one to speculate of various assumptions?
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Thank you for your various answers.

I don't think you are understanding my question. Let me try phrasing it in a different way:

If after a man's death people attest to seeing the man alive, and others who don't see him and didn't even personally know him believe the reports of these other people (who are contemporaries), what do you think that implies about that man? Anything at all?

Let's add in a second scenario. Let's say the sightings and beliefs of others all happen within a few years of this man's death. What do you think the restriction of time implies about that man?

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Nothing, as the "people who never knew him personally" indicate that a life of Jesus is superfluous.

Now you can reformulate your question yet again, this time leaving out the "people who never knew him personally". But then, what is the value of a question which asks one to speculate of various assumptions?
Thank you for your various answers.

I don't think you are understanding my question. Let me try phrasing it in a different way:
Gosh, who'd ever have thought that you'd rephrase your question in yet another way??? Hmmm???

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If after a man's death people attest to seeing the man alive, and others who don't see him and didn't even personally know him believe the reports of these other people, what do you think that implies about that man? Anything at all?
Nothing. It implies something about those who attest to seeing him.

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Let's add in a second scenario. Let's say the sightings and beliefs of others all happen within a few years of this man's death. What do you think the restriction of time implies about that man?
If we assume that the man you are talking about lived and assume that the reports of sightings were veracious and assume that they did occur within a few years of the assumed death of the assumed man, the assumed restricted time from the assumed man's assumed death indicates nothing about this assumed man.


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Old 09-03-2005, 08:38 AM   #144
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Nothing. It implies something about those who attest to seeing him.
Ok, I'll go with what you've given. What does it imply about those who attest to seeing him, and what does it imply about those who believe those people? How does a restricted time frame change your answer, if at all?

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Ok, I'll go with what you've given. What does it imply about those who attest to seeing him,
That they must have lived in an environment friendly to such an idea.

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and what does it imply about those who believe those people?
That they had little notion of evidence and that one tended to believe what they were told.

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How does a restricted time frame change your answer, if at all?
It indicates that the spreaders of the reports were fast workers.


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That they must have lived in an environment friendly to such an idea.
What idea? That men are resurrected or that a particular man would be resurrected? How does this idea get applied to a particular man?


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That they had little notion of evidence and that one tended to believe what they were told.
How do you know of their methods of inquiry? What would make them believe what they were told about a particular man?


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It indicates that the spreaders of the reports were fast workers.
What would compel them to work so fast?

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What idea? That men are resurrected or that a particular man would be resurrected?
The idea that men could be resurrected.

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How does this idea get applied to a particular man?
Wish fulfillment?

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How do you know of their methods of inquiry?
A: Read what they wrote.
B: Read some history of philosophy.

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What would make them believe what they were told about a particular man?
Why shouldn't they??

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What would compel them to work so fast?
"[C]ompel"?


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Amaleq13, I have started a new thread entitled "Are Q1 teachings found in Paul's epistles?", which you may want to look at.

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Amaleq13, I have started a new thread entitled "Are Q1 teachings found in Paul's epistles?", which you may want to look at.
Thanks. I don't know if you missed it or thought there were enough similarities that you could just respond to spin but I offered a response to your recent questions here.
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