Anat

Here are some ways in which numbers are special. Being special isn't unusual at all.

-RRH-

The mistake all numerologists make is they count the hits and ignore the misses.

Does this convince you of the divinity of the quran?

-RRH-

Well, 439 isn't a Mersenne prime, it's the sum of three consecutive primes, and a prime itself. Much like how 136 is the sum of three consecutive triangular numbers and a triangular number itself.

Now, if that were all, then 136 would be rarer than 439, but remember that it is also the sum of nine consecutive primes. (Or three sets of three) That, I believe, puts it over the edge and makes it "rarer" than 136. (Anyone with a better math background want to back me up on that?)

But more to the point, if you had got 439 out of Elophim instead of 136, we all know you'd be here talking about how unique that number is. (You combine three indivisible numbers to create one indivisible number. Wouldn't that make a good trinity reference?)

Not to mention the multitude of methods you could have used to extract numbers from that word. Just adding the letters together, (the most obvious approach) gets you 86, which is not a triangular number, or even a multiple of three. So, that's a miss, right? But you aren't counting anything that isn't "unique" enough for your tastes.

This is your mistake. You only count the hits and not the misses. Until you count your misses properly, don't tell me this can't be a coincidence.

Thief of Time

Its probably got some imperfect code, or 20% of 666 in binary in its code somewhere.

Of course, its unique ie there is only one of it. Whereas Mersenne primes are a set of numbers and so there is more than one of them.
What properties does it have that Mersenne primes do not have?

What if he had got 1337?
Declare that god is clearly 13373R 7H4|\| |_|5, 7H3R3F0R3 H3 <r3473|> 7h3 |_||\|1V3R53.

Norseman

Stop putting up text like this. It's irritating.

Thief of Time

Sorry exclamation mark
colon capital pee

King of Men

This thread is moderately amusing. I give it my Offical Stamp of Approval, which as it happens has many interesting numerical properties including such unique features as having four words but only three capital letters, thereby demonstrating that the divine (three) is less important than the human (two sexes, squared, equals four) when it comes to Offical Stamps of Approval.

Pmarra

I have said that it is important if a sentence is extremely unlikely or no

the numerology without improbability cannot show any supernatural origin of a text

extreme improbability can show the supernatural origin of a text instead

reddish

Please define, quantitively, what you mean by "extremely unlikely".

As it stands, it's just a vague term that could be interpreted to mean anything whatsoever.

As indicated before, the triangular number property you state for 136 is not rare by any stretch of the imagination. To say it's rarer than Mersenne primes just goes to show that you have no idea what you are talking about. Currently, 42 Mersenne primes are known; in my post above I give a reference that gives you an infinite amount of triangular numbers that are themselves the sum of three consecutive triangular numbers. :huh:

Please address my question, in blue, above.

ETA: your dragging Shannon into this is fine by me - I know the theory (which I suspect you don't). Please show how this isn't just namesdropping - how does information theory strengthen your case? Please be precise.

Jack the Bodiless

Pmarra:

You claim that "I want to show you that my reasonings are not arbitrary".

...So, why don't you SHOW US this?

You keep talking about the properties of the numbers, without telling us WHY you performed the mathematical operations that you DID perform, rather than something more obvious. Don't just show us the numbers, and don't just show us HOW you calculated them: show us WHY you made THOSE calculations.