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rationalOne · 12-28-2004, 09:34 AM

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965-72 John XIII John XIII (965-972) becomes adulterer hated by laypeople; turns Lateran into stews before being murdered by husband who catches him in bed with wife.

Lateran is the palace: what does "stews" mean?

Chili · 12-28-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckster

Your personal criticisms of me however, are yet another of the 'crimes' Christians continue to make whenever they get riled up over something they don't like - in this case, you've decided to impugn and ridicule me personally, despite the very words I used to make clear that the crimeline is not a definitive proof in itself, nor that I've personally researched it, nor that I accept the claims within it at face value.

Yours in REASON,

Buck Cash

Hello Buckster, lucky for me that I am not a Christian with a condemnation for you but that I am a Catholic with a suggestion to make.

I noticed that the first three crimelines make reference to an "alleged" person called Christ which really is wrong because his name was Jesus. This in itself is no big deal, really, but the problem is that sloppy reading like that is what lies at the root of the problem that caused many or most of the crimes committed in the name of Christianity.

The "alleged" life of Jesus existed only in the myth and that same life is just as alive today as it was then, but once again, it exists only in the myth. The difference between this 'reality in the myth' as opposed to 'reality in history' is what caused all the confusion that led to those crimes in your list.

It would be interesting to separate the alleged crimes committed by the Catholic church while in defense of the mythical interpretation against those sloppy readers who actually think that Christ died on the cross and were willing to defend their position with violence and death. This distinction would allow us to trace right and wrong from way back then into the present moment and see where wisdom lies.

I think that would be a rational thing to do instead of just blaming the past for our problems that could not even exist without 'a past' that points in your favor.

Now you may wonder if it was worth the effort to defend a mythical Christ, to which I could only say that it led to the high culture of our civilization that we are now tearing down, slowly, one stone at the time until we get buried with the last stone.

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0-36 Life of Christ Alleged life of Christ: despite efficiency of Roman system no records exist of his birth, trial or death, leading many to claim existence concocted.

33-6 Ministry of Christ Alleged ministry of Christ: Jesus accused of "possession by evil spirits" (John 7:20; 10:20); this may explain evil nature of Christian followers over centuries.

36 Death of Christ Alleged crucifixion of Christ: Christianity becomes first religion with lawfully-convicted felon as god; this may explain criminal behavior of Christian followers over centuries.

Boro Nut · 12-28-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

Bede and J.P (No Link) Holding track down the lies , and half-truths of sceptics. For example, take the sceptical charge - 'Alleged ministry of Christ: Jesus accused of "possession by evil spirits" (John 7:20; 10:20) ....Bede and Holding refute this sceptical charge. Will sceptics have any decent arguments left after the pair are through?

It's a bit obscure to spend time refuting isn't it? Why don't they start with the biggies like "But the world didn't end"? it's true. I have the photgraphs.

Boro Nut

Chili · 12-29-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

It's a bit obscure to spend time refuting isn't it? Why don't they start with the biggies like "But the world didn't end"? it's true. I have the photgraphs.

Boro Nut

To serve as a bump, but the world did end for those who saw their world come to an end in the transformation of their mind wherein the old world was changed into the New World.

Boro Nut · 12-29-2004, 02:25 PM

Erm... at no time did Jesus say "All these things will come to pass before any of you here listeneing to these words actually pops his clogs. I am of course speaking metaphorically."

Boro Nut

Chili · 12-29-2004, 02:54 PM

You are right, he didn't say that but the very Church that claims authority over the NT has been fighting literalism for 2000 years and now you come along insistsing that there was a crowd apart from you and me discussing this lecture.

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Boro Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Middlesbrough, England Posts: 3,909	Erm... at no time did Jesus say "All these things will come to pass before any of you here listeneing to these words actually pops his clogs. I am of course speaking metaphorically." Boro Nut

12-29-2004, 02:54 PM	#26
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	You are right, he didn't say that but the very Church that claims authority over the NT has been fighting literalism for 2000 years and now you come along insistsing that there was a crowd apart from you and me discussing this lecture.

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