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Solo · 05-31-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

1 Peter says that Jesus bore his sins on the tree, not on the cross. So, it seems that a more proper question is, did the author get this idea from Galatians, did he get this idea from the Hebrew scriptures, did he get this idea from traditions that were themselves based on either of those things, or did this idea come from this person's witnessing of Jesus being hung from a tree or on the passing down of eyewitness accounts of Jesus being hung from a tree, or is the use of "tree" here just another word for cross?

So much for another strong opinion which ends up with a question mark (?).

Jiri

Loomis · 05-31-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

I was just reading 1 Peter due to another thread talking about the "hung from a tree" lines…

Made ya think!

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

So, did this person intent to imply that he was an eyewitness to the crucifixion? (an outright lie) Was he saying something more spiritual in nature? Did he only mean that he was a witness in a spiritual sense and he was not trying to imply that he personally saw "the" real crucifixion?

Does 1 Peter say anything about a cross or a crucifixion?

Where?

It says someone hung his dead body on a tree.

Right?

Loomis · 05-31-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

1 Peter says that Jesus bore his sins on the tree, not on the cross. So, it seems that a more proper question is, did the author get this idea from Galatians, did he get this idea from the Hebrew scriptures, did he get this idea from traditions that were themselves based on either of those things, or did this idea come from this person's witnessing of Jesus being hung from a tree or on the passing down of eyewitness accounts of Jesus being hung from a tree, or is the use of "tree" here just another word for cross?

No. It’s not just tree v. cross. It’s also, “Who killed Jesus? Jews or Romans?”

The tree version follows the Jews, but the cross version follows the Romans.

In the ‘cross’ version Jesus talks and dies on the cross.

But in the ‘tree’ version Jesus is already dead when they put him on the tree. See Acts 5:30.

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For me the big question is, how did we end up with two execution stories?

The ‘tree’ includes the element of irony – I think that’s important. It’s a clue.

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