IamJoseph

A more impacting issue is, what if its NOT poppycock. What's the plan B - more poopcock?

True [but not persian], while my premise was related only to alphabetical books - by a much later, smaller, wondering peoples. Also, its an anomoly that Egypt never spoke hebrew, being a ruler of Canaan periodicaly for a 1000 years before the Hebrews emerged - this says Hebrew emerged differently from the other groups' writings - it even had new alphabets.

Interestingly, the Egyptians were not arab or akin to any other group now existing in Arabia - their source lineage is listed only in the Hebrew bibles - with precise datings and names of lineage, determined by a simple calculator and matched against all other history before us and accepted. This means the nations have no idea where and how they emerged, and can only look to the Hebrew for this.

E.G. Arabs do NOT come from a direct biological thread of Abraham or Ishmael - yet they are *BELIEVED* to be that - with not a shred of evidence - writings or other. My knowledge of history says the Persians predate the Arabs as a definitive and identifable group, and that the Hebrews predate the Persians. I found not an iota of evidence of an Arab group pre-Persia conquering babylon in 586 BCE - and I know that the Hebrews existed before this time for at least a 1000 years!


Whether anyone does not admit it, and clings to denial instead, does not change the fact the Hebrew is a mysterious language and so is its source - it is not seen in any of the origins it is said to come from, and describes time periods before all those nations existed - and nothing in that writings is disproven when it is rejected or not accepted. It's alternative is either the past is shrouded in mystery - or the various totally contradicting and illogical notions of later writings are entertained, eg. the Gospels and Quran - which are not even 'HISTORICAL'.

Its not that anyone here does not accept the Hebrews were in Canaan as per the Hebrew writings: we have no disputing evidence they were not there - nor that they came there later - because, indisputably, they did rule that land as their sovereign homeland till 586 BCE, than after 70 years, till 70 CE.

If someone wants to play silly games and argue if the Egyptian stelle is only akin to the word Israel, but not really tlaking about 'ISRAEL!' [LOL] - let them explain how the Hebrews landed and ruled in Canaan in the same space-time?! If they have problems with the Tel Dan relic, that the name of David is contrived and not referring to 'DAVID' [LOL] - let them explain who built the Jerusalem Temple, and why that relic was found in the exact place it is supposed to be - and who else is being referred to in that monument's copious detailed descriptions? I'm listening. :wave:

aa5874

You have not proven one single thing that you have written. All you do is ask questions that you yourself have failed to answer.

Now, I ask you again by what means did the author of Genesis get his information? From dreams or his imagination. Did the author invent his history?


You must mean metaphorical and figurative details in their writings.

How does a donkey or a serpent metaphorically evolve?

spamandham

Joseph, assuming this were true, who cares? These are mundane. Is there something magical involved in writing about rivers and mountains?

Accurate in what sense? The ancient Hebrew calendar was crap. It does a very poor job of keeping track of our cycles around the sun. That's why it's been thrown out and replaced with the much more accurate (but still not perfect) Gregorian calendar.

The concept of a day is self evident. Weeks are arbitrary groupings of 7 days that don't fit very well into our cycles around the sun. They're hardly some big epiphany. Worse yet, we know the idea of a week originated in giving 1 day of honor for each of the "nonfixed" gods; sun, moon, venus, mercury, mars, jupiter, and saturn. If Neptune had been visible to the naked eye in ancient times, we'd have an 8 day week.

Sheshbazzar

Can you read and speak the Hebrew language Joseph?

IamJoseph

No. I'm not from that country. But I'm amazed christians don't speak Hebrew - their lord never spoke latin, and aramaic was only spoken to foreigners.

IamJoseph

Dreams and imaginations are not bad things - it depends on what those dreams and imaginings are. The talking donkey is incidental here, its exclsusion does not effect the events in that chapter - the narratives between the one sitting on that donkey and his intention is what impacts. The FX in Egypt are not what that book is about: how about inalienable human rights and freedom from slavery?


Its not confusing. The texts say the snake was on a non-physical realm and later cast down to earth: the issue of a snake talking is thus a previous realm, which I am unable to dispute. The donkey correctly asks his master why he is being beaten - that's how any donkey would talk.

I see greater inexplicable fantasy in the rejection of absolutely historical factors - if one cannot understand imperical history - what chance anything metaphorical?

So please enlighten us - who is the Egyptian steller referring to? Who is the Tel Dan referring to? I never knew there were such historical entities hovering those exact vicinities in that exact time - also with such similar names. Wow - sounds fantastic - its a miracle of biblical proportions - or at least a co-incidence of big bang magnitude: seen anything similar elsewhere! :constern01:

IamJoseph

When its the first recording of those historical factors - the term mundane is not possible - it makes the writing 'credible'. In fact its so mundane that none others performed that feat - not even far older and mightier nations!

Except that it can forecast a sunset 150,000 years in advance; correctly works on the solar [for annual], lunar [for seasonal] and earth movements [else how can one predict a harvest?] - and it is in active mode today for the longest period of any other calendar. Since when is it crap if it records history from the beginning of history - to the extent we have no history before its dating? Please name a king's birthday 6001 years ago?

No, that's not why we follow the Gregorian at all! This incorrect calendar was followed for a totally different reason. Gregory's own preists told him it was wrong by 11 days. His answer: better to be wrong by the moon than right with the Jews - we will just 'add 11 days' by decree. FYI, even the notion of AD is a fiction.

You have to evidence that - where is it self evident - in ancient Egypt or babylon?

I'm not sure if your agreeing or rejecting. I know that France tried to make 1 day of rest per 10 days: it failed!

LOL. Hellenism did not invent the day and week. they never even invented democrasy!

I think there is a jewish problem still lingering for the world. Must be my imagination! :huh:

fatpie42

Proving what? That people don't like having their week made longer for the same of 'going metric'! This does not mean that a 7-day week is in any way special.

IamJoseph

Have it your way. The week being the only sustained mode throughout history is not special in any way. I should check the correct meaning of 'special'! :wave:

Ohene

There is no plan B because it will be able to stand on its own. I have NO issue with that. That, however, has not been shown to be the case.

This statement makes absolutely no sense. Name a single conquerer that changes their language to the language of the people they conquered?? Egyptians had their own language, writing systems and culture LONG before they ever came into contact with Hebrews...why do you keep belaboring this point...its meaningless. Ancient Egyptians are not kin to Hebrews or any semites for that matter. They had more in common with the NUBIANS to the south.

You a completely delusional. Egypt left their own history and lineage on their walls and in their writings long before Hebrews even had a writing system! We do NOT look to Hebrews for Egyptian history...we look to Egypt! What nonsense. BTW, the Septaugint was translated at the library of Alexander in EGYPT!

There's not a shred of archeological evidence to back that up.

Your in serious need of clarity..lol

As you've already been shown by many others, Tel Dan is still in being disputed...try again.