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Old 06-23-2008, 04:33 AM   #11
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I'm confused. If I were a christian, and I thought I discovered very strong parallels between my religious teachings and a theory of the natural world, I'd probably take that as evidence that the theory is true. How are you coming to the opposite conclusion?
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Before I can get to the maths and observer I need to show where Darwin got his ideas.
he got his ideas from observations of nature.

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Many words have been written about the differences between evolution and Christianity.
one's a scientific theory, the other's a religion. they're totally unrelated.
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For example both Evolution and Christianity have transformation as a central theme.
i thought christianity's central theme was the holy trinity....... but if you want to redefine what christianity is, go ahead!

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Also both Evolution and Christianity follow a "redeemer" scenario. In Christianity Jesus is the redeemer and those who follow him are "saved". In Evolution it is the one member of a species that has a mutation that is advantageous who leads the way to survival.
what's that got to do with redemption?



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Evolution and Christianity that it seems unlikely that they are a product of chance.
evolution does not say that we are a product of chance. and no one ever did.
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:46 AM   #13
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So we seem to have another useless attempt to reconcile evolution with Christianity by distorting both of them beyond recognition. All of which is completely unnecessary. Nothing to see here.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:09 AM   #14
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Isn't the OP like.... completely off topic? I was expecting to see some sort of explanation for how math and logic disprove evolution and all I got was a silly parellel.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:39 AM   #15
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If only I could find a way to bury the OP in my garden. Certainly my tomatoes would be prize winners.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:48 AM   #16
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Also both Evolution and Christianity follow a "redeemer" scenario. In Christianity Jesus is the redeemer and those who follow him are "saved". In Evolution it is the one member of a species that has a mutation that is advantageous who leads the way to survival.
Uh...Lots of members of a species mutate. There's almost certainly never ONE member who has the ONE trait that ensures survival.
Changes in the habitat select for those with the bestest collection of traits to match that new habitat.
The only way to compare this to Christainity would be if the Romans had invaded Israel with a list of randomly chosen Articles of Faith. Then everyone that disagreed with the Articles was put to death, those that agreed fully or mostly with the Articles survived long enough to adopt their society to those beliefs and teach them to the next generation. After a few generations everyone alive would be AoFers. Until the next invading army with the next list of Articles.
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Isn't the OP like.... completely off topic? I was expecting to see some sort of explanation for how math and logic disprove evolution and all I got was a silly parellel.
If nothing else, it does argue for the sincerityof the poster.

I wonder if the real intent is not to show that evolution, per se, is wrong. I think the poster feels that the 'atheistic theory of undirected evolution (and therefore an implicit disproof of God)' is wrong, because evolution (as he understands it) parallels his religious views.


IOW, he's not disproving evolution, he's proving theistic evolution. He's showing that evolution MUST be an invention of a skybeast, if we assume that Christainity is true and that no1nose's interpretations of litany and evolutionary theory hold out.
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If everyone became like Jesus there would be no hunger because he was able to feed people. Neither would be there be sickness, war or death. ...So even from an evolutionary point of view Jesus is the one.
From an evolutionary biology point of view, childless Jesus left no trace. And without death, at carrying capacity there can be no births, thus no biological evolution. Ever. Other than those colossal flaws making Jesus=EvolutionaryAvatar completely nonsensical, it's an insightful analogy.
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So we seem to have another useless attempt to reconcile evolution with Christianity
I'm going with: another ridiculous "evolution is just a secular substitute for Christianity, appropriating all its ideas" attempt.
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If only I could find a way to bury the OP in my garden. Certainly my tomatoes would be prize winners.
Considering where this guy pulled his ideas from, you’d expect nothing else.
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All I can see in the OP is that if you stretch and warp an idea long and hard enough you can make it look like anything else.
IIRC ,there are also amazing conclusions to be made about the significance of the Egyptian pyramids, if you round off certain measurements and round other ones up until you get the Golden Ratio.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:41 AM   #20
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Using the same logic...

"Rudolph the red nose reindeer" is just like evolution which is just like Christianity.

This is fun, who wants to go next.
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