Iskander

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Le Petit Prince, by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Voici mon secret: Il est tres simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur.L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux


And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye

aa5874

Please, please, please. I am no longer interested in the HOCUS-POCUS Holy Spirit.

I NEED DATA. I DON'T care about YOUR INVISIBILITY.

Based on Biologist, the HEART circulates blood in the body.

If your HEART stops, then soon you will LOSE VISIBILITY.

Vivisector

I can think of a couple if he didn't. The GOP here in the US would be without a member of the trinity of three "G's." The degree to which they (and, I would say, the wealthy) have hijacked Christianity and turned everything the HJ presumably stood for on its head must surely be an inspiration for David Copperfields and PT Barnums everywhere.

Even more positively, it might force some to grow, to realize that we don't need threats, imperatives or even suggestions to treat others well and to lead a happy and fulfilling life. What an evolutionary quantum leap that would be.

I have what I think is a purely academic interest - the question and the debates force thought and (perhaps some) learning on my part. I hope I have no subconscious vested interest tracing back to my wasted years "among the flock."

Cheers,

V.

TedM

Be honest, mythgeeks. Wouldn't you just LOVE for it to be proven that Jesus never was historical? Depending on your personalities:

1. So you could rub it in the faces of believers?
2. So it would wipe out Christianity once and for all?


I realize that some of you don't feel this way and honestly are skeptical of a HJ based on the evidence you have looked at. For those of you the above provocative comments do not apply.

Horatio Parker

It's all about education.


What's difficult about these questions is making the distinction of looking outward or looking inward. Looking outward, expecting a supreme being to be somewhere in the clouds peering through telescopes, pulling levers etc will always stumble over questions like suffering.

Looking within is a whole other experience where the goal is to understand yourself and your place in the universe and create a basis for making distinctions.

I've always been agnostic about God in a religious sense. Whatever history is in the Bible is coincidental. But in a philosophical or psychological sense, God is very real. Spiritual answers for me are better found in Plato.

No Robots

Thus, to the end of days, all rational men will bow low before this Jesus of Nazareth; and the more self-knowledge they have, the more humbly they will acknowledge the superabundant glory of this great manifestation.--Fichte

aa5874

What nonsense!!! It is HJers who want to WIPE out the Jesus of FAITH, the Jesus of the NT, God Incarnate Born of the Holy Ghost.

This is the BLATANT hypocrisy that we are FACED with day after day by HJers.

The QUEST for the "historical Jesus" is a REJECTION of the resurrected Myth Jesus .

The "historical Jesus" of Nazareth is based on the PREMISE that the NT Jesus was a KNOWN PUBLIC LIE and DECEPTION both by the FOLLOWERS of the "historical Jesus" and by LATER CONVERTS.

The "historical Jesus" of Nazareth is based on the PREMISE that people of antiquity, including Jews and Romans, had DOCUMENTED evidence in the writings of Josephus that Jesus was an ordinary Jewish man but still worshiped him as a God contrary to Jewish Law.

Please, please, please Stop spouting your propaganda.

The "historical Jesus" of Nazareth is TOTALLY CONTRARY to the NICENE CREED of the Roman Church.

MJers only say that Gods are MYTHS and the Roman Church say the Jesus of Faith was God Incarnate.

The Jesus of Faith is MYTH. That is all.

MJers don't have to add, remove, or alter anything in the NT.

"Paul" claimed he was NOT the apostle of a man. See Galatians 1.1

Well, "Paul" was the apostle of MYTH Jesus. That's all.

The Roman Church claimed Jesus is God.

Well, Jesus of the Roman Church is MYTH. That's all.

TedM, please stop your OBVIOUS hypocrisy. HJ of Nazareth is a REJECTION of the TEACHINGS of the Pope of Rome.

HJERS want to RUB HJ of Nazareth in the Face of the Pope and the Roman Church and wipe out Christianity as we know it today.

No Robots

Absolutely correct!!!

No Robots

In this sense, MJers are the last hold-outs for the mythical Jesus of traditional Christian religion. It is the end-game attempt to use pseudo-science to shore up the mythical Jesus against the historical Jesus. And, of course, it is ironic that most mythicists see themselves as demolishing traditional Christian religion, rather than as shoring it up.

2-J

This is a very good point.