Chili

There is absolutely nothing human about Mary and the Mary we know and venerate will always be divine so she can be our light by day and by night. She, in fact, is (sic) the divinity of Christ prior to resurrection and gave birth to the son of Man so she can make him fully man which is her only way to become queen of heaven and earth. This same idea is also presented to us in Coriolanus I.iii.15-18 where Volumnia "sprang not more in joy at first hearing that he was a man-child than now in first seeing that he had proved himself a man." The point here is that it is relatively easy to rape her but that would be the end of us become "fully man" or "fully mature in Christ" or "fully Israel" or "young man in the tomb," etc. Christ is just Christ but Mary is what makes a man out of Christ. True, the tension is universal in Christianity because we are created in the image of God but the transition from God-in-beoming to becoming-God is reserved for Catholics only (tragic really, but that's just how it is).

Same here. The evolutionary period follows the involutionary period but not until the involutionay period ends. We have this same symbol in our church calender year with Yang running from Easter to Advent and Yin from Advent to Easter.

I never read Job so I really can't comment on Jung's idea here but I will say that Mary is never ever an active part of creation but at best is the passive negative stand against which creation occurs.

I should add that Volumnia is is the "[infinite] volume of Mary," "Virgilia" is the virginity of Mary and Valeria is the valor of Mary and these three qualities are required to become fully man. This play is written to be juxtaposed with MacBeth where Lady Macbeth had no other name but Lady MacBeth because she was a tramp that was on the forefront in the mind of Macbeth where she did not belong.

Chili

Hi abe, how are you. Amos lost his E-mail address but that's OK because he was an imposter anyway.

abe smith

Wow. Chili IZZ Amos revidivus. (That''s probably not how you spell that.)
In that case, 'bye, Amos.

Chili

Hi abe and I am glad you stopped in to say hello. BTW, have you noticed that my new name "Chili" is more gender friendly?

Magdlyn

So your sources for your particular take on theology are a conflation or syncretization of the gospel narratives with lyric, sometimes Chinese, poetry?

Oddly, my reading of Gnosticism shows a connection between this form of Xtianity with Buddhism and Hinduism.

But neither the gospel narratives or Chinese theology have a Purgatory so I do not know how that comes into it. You lost me there.

Answerer

Hi Amos, long time no see. Should have recognized you immediately in the first place......

Clivedurdle

I strongly recommend a close look at this hypothesis!

Mary

Chili

Oh it's just the one poem I read and Pound was very proud of his translation (I don't think he understood the poem well enough to rationalize it).

She, the river merchants wife, is our Mary who asked if he was returning home through the "narrows of the river Kiang" and if he did she would meet him at Cho-fu-sa . . . which is our gate of purgatory where the royal banquet takes place.

So Magdlyn, let's not call it Purgatory with a capital P but just the purgation period which is the time that born again believers "enter the race" and begin to work out their own salvation. Notice that I recognize the "born again" experience and also that this event (?) brings about change (as in metanoia) because they have been called by name and now are a new creation (child of God).

In the bible it is not good enough to remain a child of God and the Gospels show us how to mature and become one with God (lest we spent the rest of our life trying to work out our own salvation and die nonetheless). The point here is that we can succeed and "never die" or the "nonetheless" in Jn.6:58 is wrong. If this is true the "never die" takes on a different meaning because the second death will be there for all of us. The difference, then, is that we will either die in heaven, in hell (purgatory for 40 years is equal to hell), or just like a "cold" believer/doubter who never entered the race.

Chili

Hi Answerer we went satelite direct (Direcway) and that caused some problems with my registration here. So, I like Chili better anyway.

Vorkosigan

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