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Salam · 01-27-2008, 02:58 PM

Publish.

Tiberius · 01-27-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NZSkep

atheist - for.

I would publish - it's a no brainder really.
My beleif system is founded upon evidence - if I see new evidence then I see no problem in changing my belief system.

However, I don't think this would be substantial evidence for christianity (or any other religion), just that the story in the bible was probably closer to the truth than previously thought.
we know that some of the stories in the bible do have some factual basis that has since been changed to myth over multiple retellings and retranslations, this is no different really.
The big question should be, why wouldn't you publish? I think refusing to publish something because it goes against your beliefs is incredibly unprofessional and you don't deserve to be a scientist if that is the case.

quite frnakly I am more than a little surprised that 50% of atheists wouldn't publish.

I agree completely, and this would also count as my respionse

Bushman · 01-27-2008, 03:06 PM

Atheist-For

ApostateAbe · 01-27-2008, 03:08 PM

It is like asking the question, "You have the opportunity to be academically renowned, internationally famous and make millions of dollars at no personal cost. Do you do it?" Oh the dilemma! We are people who value knowledge. We are not people who would sacrifice the gift of knowledge for the sake of a theory.

Sigma · 01-27-2008, 03:10 PM

Come to think of it, I can't imagine anyone refusing to publish, let alone 80% of agnostics, 50% of atheists and 50% of Jews. I would have though anyone against would be an anomaly and give reasons like the Christian supposedly did in your survey.

Where did you conduct the survey? At a college?

Bushman · 01-27-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

We are people who value knowledge. We are not people who would sacrifice the gift of knowledge for the sake of a theory.

+1

That about sums it up perfectly.

Solitary Man · 01-27-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

It is like asking the question, "You have the opportunity to be academically renowned, internationally famous and make millions of dollars at no personal cost. Do you do it?" Oh the dilemma! We are people who value knowledge. We are not people who would sacrifice the gift of knowledge for the sake of a theory.

Atheist, For. Ditto what Abe said.

lpetrich · 01-27-2008, 04:04 PM

I'd publish it. It would be very remarkable if such a thing was ever found, which is why I'd think that it would be very worth publishing.

I think that it would be interesting to pose the opposite sort of challenge. Let's imagine what you would see if you went back in time in a time machine, or else studied the records and logs of some extraterrestrial visitors who had spied on humanity over the centuries.

In particular, let's try early-30's-CE Palestine.

Let's say that you either visit the place or else do a lot of record-studying and you find out that there is no trace of the Jesus Christ of the Gospels. In particular, you watch Jerusalem during every Passover in Pontius Pilate's term in office, and you find nothing like Jesus Christ's last days.

And you conclude that he had never existed, that the Gospels are essentially allegories or something like that.

Would you publish that?

I certainly would.

Crimson Glory · 01-27-2008, 04:57 PM

Publish or perish! Intellectual honesty above all
I'm atheist

Toto · 01-27-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigers!

A question for the mods (or another person). Is it possible to have this poll (mine) changed so that it would display the nifty bar graph? I wanted that but obviously hit the wrong key or missed the right one.

The bar graph will be displayed once you vote, or click on "view results."

May I say that this is a typical Christian fantasy - that hard evidence can be found that would support the accuracy of the Bible? It is wishful thinking. Would it not be better spending your efforts trying to understand the world as it is?

But even if this event happened, it would hardly prove the existence of God, gods, or Jesus. There have been more than a few atheists who have thought that all of the events described in the Bible happened, but happened in a naturalistic fashion, without any divine intervention.

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01-27-2008, 02:58 PM	#11
Salam Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Saudi Arabia Posts: 440	Publish.

01-27-2008, 03:06 PM	#13
Bushman Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Beliefs:Strong Atheist/Naturalist Posts: 445	Atheist-For

01-27-2008, 03:08 PM	#14
ApostateAbe Contributor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MT Posts: 10,656	It is like asking the question, "You have the opportunity to be academically renowned, internationally famous and make millions of dollars at no personal cost. Do you do it?" Oh the dilemma! We are people who value knowledge. We are not people who would sacrifice the gift of knowledge for the sake of a theory.

01-27-2008, 03:10 PM	#15
Sigma Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England, 51st state of the USA Posts: 2,276	Come to think of it, I can't imagine anyone refusing to publish, let alone 80% of agnostics, 50% of atheists and 50% of Jews. I would have though anyone against would be an anomaly and give reasons like the Christian supposedly did in your survey. Where did you conduct the survey? At a college?

01-27-2008, 04:04 PM	#18
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	I'd publish it. It would be very remarkable if such a thing was ever found, which is why I'd think that it would be very worth publishing. I think that it would be interesting to pose the opposite sort of challenge. Let's imagine what you would see if you went back in time in a time machine, or else studied the records and logs of some extraterrestrial visitors who had spied on humanity over the centuries. In particular, let's try early-30's-CE Palestine. Let's say that you either visit the place or else do a lot of record-studying and you find out that there is no trace of the Jesus Christ of the Gospels. In particular, you watch Jerusalem during every Passover in Pontius Pilate's term in office, and you find nothing like Jesus Christ's last days. And you conclude that he had never existed, that the Gospels are essentially allegories or something like that. Would you publish that? I certainly would.

01-27-2008, 04:57 PM	#19
Crimson Glory Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 37	Publish or perish! Intellectual honesty above all I'm atheist

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