BadBadBad

I can't resist. Sorry Kang for stealing your good idea.

Kang wants to debate that the depravity of man is a good thing. Don't know why he'd want to take that position, but maybe he can explain. There don't seem to be any takers on the debate, and JDLongmire seems to be really itching to get up on his pulpit and make sure we all know we're all hellbound heathens wholly under the influence of Satan himself. You know, the old mankind is bent, broken and totally depraved thing. Get on your knees and beg for forgivness or else.

Anyway, I thought it would be a good idea to combine the two especially given the two completely different definitions of the word depraved that both these Christians want to use. Kang wants to say that depraved means basically good, but striving to the glory of God, even though the dictionary and the history of the word says different. Longmire is going to take the historical context of the word to mean wholly under the influence of Satan. The notion that this is good, torn between the two definitions of the word, should be interesting.

So how about it guys? Tell us what depraved is. Tell us why you think we are, and for heaven sakes tell us how the hell you think that's a good thing!

jdlongmire

I would actually probably participate if you had not tried to pre-set my position.

Particularly since you misrepresented it so bad, bad, badly...

Go edit out the commentary and I will...

-JD

BadBadBad

I don't see that I've pre-set your position at all. My commentary is what I intend to bring to the discussion as usual.

You're free to state your own position and tell me exactly how I've bad bad badly mis-represented you. That's part of the challenge. Satan is a ridiculous concept to me as well as to many many Christians. I think it's fair that you deal with the concept of depravity from the position of incredulity as compared to respect and serious consideration. You'll need to work up from there. If you need a miracle from God to make your case seem more respectable, feel free to pray for my soul, as usual.

KingLouie

Hey Bad,

Two things: first, you apologized to me. That's absolutely awesome. No sweat man, I'm glad you liked my idea.

Secondly, if you'd really like to do this, then let's do it here: Formal High-Brow Type Places. That's where I want to do this one, and I'll be happy to have you as my speaking partner, as I now like to refrain from using the word "opponent."

Hope all's good in the Don't Mess With Us state.

From the Jungles of Bad,

Kang Louie

Philippe*

We are for sure limited beings with dark parts, but we are not only that I don't think we are only poor sinners. Is it not said in the Bible God has created us according to his own image ? I understand better the vital call from Friedrich Nietzsche in the Will to Power and Thus spoke Zarathustra, this is sometimes a bit chaotic but after so many centuries of self-contempt and pseudosainthood showing too often a feeble mentality, there was a need to breath.

Philippe

advancedatheist

I wish I could become more depraved than I've been so far. There are teen boys out there who've had more sexual experience than I've managed to acquire up to my current age (45).

Anat

I don't think it is a good idea for people to think of themselves as utterly depraved. If one thinks depravity is inescapable one might not see reason not to act immorally. Looks like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

IvanJames

Well, you know, that's the myth that feeds the fundie fire: at your root, you're bad, and we have the cure. Face it, we all feel bad at our core to some degree, and some people will embrace anything that promises a cure for the human condition.

IMHO, however, Love & Rockets said it best:
"You cannot go against nature,
'Cause when you do
Go against nature,
It's part of nature, too."
From the song "no new tale to tell" from the cd "sun earth moon" for those who care.

---Ivan James

BadBadBad

I guess that's one of the things I hope we get to here. Dark parts, poor sinners, feeble mentality, basically good but striving to God, malevolent and wholly under the influence of Satan. What is this depravity of man I've been hearing so much of? Seems like the meaning of the word is all over the place. Hopefully, we can clear that up once and for all.

Why is it good to view mankind in this way? I'd like to get to the bottom of that as well. If not from Kang, then perhaps someone else.

BadBadBad

You think it's a sexual thing? I thought it was more of a Satan thing. You know, the devil made me do it and all. Not just a sexual thing but a satanistic deviant sexual thing. Are teenage boys that deviant?

Deprave - to speak ill of, Malign. to make bad, corrrupt, especially to corrupt morally.

Malign - 1 a : evil in nature, influence, or effect : INJURIOUS b : MALIGNANT, VIRULENT
2 : having or showing intense often vicious ill will : MALEVOLENT
synonym see SINISTER
- ma·lign·ly adverb