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RED DAVE · 01-12-2005, 07:20 AM

Just a parentesis, can anyone recall a physical description of anyone in the OT or NT outside of, say, the Song of Songs?

RED DAVE

Chili · 01-12-2005, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Roland

I am assuming that it was common in ancient biographies for the biographer to provide at least some mention of his subject's physical appearance. Yet, out of four canonical gospels, we get not a single word about what Jesus actually looked like.

Any Jew after transfiguration. The Transfiguration is important to evidence the New creation so the old one can be crucified.

Vivisector · 01-12-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by True Christian

No, it's not a strong argument for the Sacred Gospels being works of fiction. Why would not including a physical description of our Lord and Savior be an argument for them being fiction? I suspect this is just a poor excuse for people so they don't have to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. May our Heavenly Father forgive them and show them mercy on Judgement Day, which draws near.

You're right about exactly one thing; it's a weak argument along the lines of absence of evidence, understandable from the standpoints that including physical descriptions wasn't common in Jewish and related literature and that the Gospel authors didn't, in all likelihood, have a clue what HJ looked like. Maybe this is where RED DAVE was going with his question.

As for the rest of your post, I don't need poor excuses for not believing in your Lord Jesus Christ (whatever "believing in" means) - I have plenty of good ones.

And just how "near" is Judgement Day? Seems people such as Paul thought it was pretty "near" about 2000 years ago; was Paul misinformed?

Chili · 01-12-2005, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vivisector

And just how "near" is Judgement Day? Seems people such as Paul thought it was pretty "near" about 2000 years ago; was Paul misinformed?

It precedes transfiguration and is the cause of it. It is valid option in a person's life who is earnest about crucifying his persona.

MortalWombat · 01-12-2005, 09:31 AM

What are you guys talking about? There is plenty of evidence of what Jesus looked like. For instance, right here.

Dave Roberts · 01-12-2005, 09:58 AM

And here you have it

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity...sMyth.html#top

Boro Nut · 01-12-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roland

...but doesn't it seem strange that NOBODY thought Jesus' physical appearance worthy of comment?

Not to me. I have been making this point for years. Don't take any notice of the current images, which are simply rehashing middle ages revisionism. The fact that there is no mention of his physical appearance is obvious. He was a gimp. Nobody likes to mention obvious physical defects. If he was simply hunchbacked or bong-eyed at least someone would have compensated by saying "Ooh doesn't he have lovely hair though". But there isn't a whisper. He must have been a right old grockle. He may well have been ginger even.

Boro Nut

Anat · 01-12-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

Just a parentesis, can anyone recall a physical description of anyone in the OT or NT outside of, say, the Song of Songs?

RED DAVE

Was that meant as a pun?

The only two physical details that I recall of any biblical characters are David's red hair and Saul's height.

Dave Roberts · 01-13-2005, 04:56 AM

How about the uncircumcised lips of Moses? Exudos 6:12, 6:30

Yes I know, it was probably in reference to his stuttering, or a problem with public speaking.

I just find it very difficult to ignore the visual that comes wih reading those verses.

The long hair of Sampson.

Chili · 01-13-2005, 06:37 AM

It was probably his Adams apple that gave him a foul mouth and his long hair was to hide the rest of his face. This conclusion may be drawn from some Early Church icons wherein the crucifixion gave him a shave and a hair cut.

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01-12-2005, 07:20 AM	#11
RED DAVE Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 10,532	Just a parentesis, can anyone recall a physical description of anyone in the OT or NT outside of, say, the Song of Songs? RED DAVE

01-12-2005, 09:31 AM	#15
MortalWombat Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: St Louis area Posts: 3,458	What are you guys talking about? There is plenty of evidence of what Jesus looked like. For instance, right here.

01-12-2005, 09:58 AM	#16
Dave Roberts Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,440	And here you have it http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity...sMyth.html#top

01-13-2005, 04:56 AM	#19
Dave Roberts Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,440	How about the uncircumcised lips of Moses? Exudos 6:12, 6:30 Yes I know, it was probably in reference to his stuttering, or a problem with public speaking. I just find it very difficult to ignore the visual that comes wih reading those verses. The long hair of Sampson.

01-13-2005, 06:37 AM	#20
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	It was probably his Adams apple that gave him a foul mouth and his long hair was to hide the rest of his face. This conclusion may be drawn from some Early Church icons wherein the crucifixion gave him a shave and a hair cut.

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