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PIPBoy · 11-19-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus W. Vader

The bible is so self-contradictory it disproves itself in like a thousand places.
No need to pick on this passage.

Some belivers may be able to dodge and make excuses for 1,000 verses, but it takes just one that they can't accept to cause their entire faith to tumble down and see the light. The more contradictions that can be found and validated the better.

Clivedurdle · 11-20-2007, 10:16 AM

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I thought the stuff about "this temple" in John and the idea of Jesus being the sacrificial lamb in Hebrews and Revelation were the get out of jail cards on this.

Umberto Eco in Baudolino is very rude about Ezekiel - he has the rabbis asking was he drunk because the Temple measurements do not add up!

Why then have rooms to cook and prepare the sacrifice when jesus himself is the sacrifice?

I never said the get out of jail free cards worked! First rule of apologism, the answer is final, no further questions allowed!

PIPBoy · 11-20-2007, 02:44 PM

Opps! I forgot about the first rule please forgive me. I will try to stop my brain.

Timetospend · 11-20-2007, 05:50 PM

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The way I read Acts 21 is that this participation in the rite was more to keep peace with the jewish christians in jeresulem then actually for honoring god. Though that may have been a part of it.

As to your other point, the reason why I brought it up is that the passages in Ezekiel seem to indicate that it is at the very least needed in addition to his sacrifice. If jesus's sacrifice was enough why not say something like "Listen to the words that my son speaks, he will prepare the sacrifices that will please"? Instead of drawing up an elaborate system of sacrifices when the sacrifices themselves are not really required.

You might be right. You might be wrong.

The problem is that you have now entered the land of speculation. Actually, this one has quite a bit of speculation in it.

Some Bible difficulties are more difficult than others. Typically, though, some level of speculation enters them all, keeping them from a trully rigorous proof...which is why sites like this one survives. If one could absolutely prove a contradiction, then there would be no need for trying to prove additional ones.

Thanks,

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PIPBoy Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Frozen North (Alaska) Posts: 38	Opps! I forgot about the first rule please forgive me. I will try to stop my brain.

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